Racial Equality and Integration: A Communist Idea?

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  1. Olivianus

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    If you really want that you need to give the black man his own country to be governed and run by his own people. When integration happened all the wealthy and educated black people left the black community for the white community depriving the black youth of those said opportunities. Your liberal agenda has nothing to do with love for blacks. It has everything to do with your hatred of white male Christians.

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    Oh but that is not the Yankee way. We Southern white men tried to tell the Yankees this 150 years ago and they wanted nothing to do with a live and let live philosophy.
     
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    Your foolish and destructive (racist) nonsense isn't wasting anymore space on my computer monitor.

    You've earned the 'ignore' function.

    Bye.
     
  3. Olivianus

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    I think he did. He said, "Whatever differences there are would be just another reason to let people screw whoever they feel like until the entire population is a delightful light browny-yellow color."

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    In 20 years your children will be surrounded by so many people who hate them and want them dead they will be forced to come to our position. In 20 years your children will be paying to hear us talk.
     
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    Because it's not a central tenet in communism. If you integrate immigrants to the society, you can have more productive workers and you make more money, thus accumulating the capital of the company owner. Besides, the free market punishes racial discrimination in choosing to employ workers with the best CVs.
     
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    Assertions are not arguments.

    I don't know what fantasy world you live in but integration has been the bane of civilization. Not racialism and nationalism.

    Look at the Asians. They are thriving, economically and educationally because of their racial loyalties while the liberalized white nations are dying due to their integrationist anti-racial theories that have invited the third world to feed from their jugular. This used to upset me, but now I see where it is all headed. You white secularists are bachelorizing, homosexualizing, and inter-racially-breeding yourself into extinction. In a very short time the people of God who refuse to bow to your genocide will lead the few children of the white liberals into the next golden age of Japhethite civilization and your ideas will die the just death they deserve.


    Please keep telling yourself that. You are playing right into my hands.
     
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    Why should we segregate people based on their breed? I don't give a sack of donkey dung about your white pride bullcrap. Also, note that I am a libertarian, not a 'liberal' or a 'leftist'.
     
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    Yes it is. It operates off the the core principle of communism which is the elimination of class distinctions. Race was seen as a class distinction that needs to be dissolved.

    You are clueless. Immigrants are sending their money back to their families in other countries in the tens of billions monthly. http://www.amren.com/news/2013/02/immigrants-in-the-u-s-sending-120b-back-home/

    CVs?
     
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    Racial segregation was common in Britain's African and Asian colonies until the 1950s when British Prime Minister Harold MacMillan helped begin the process of decolonisation and the United States generally supported the concept of national self-determination of the subject peoples after the Second World War. As the rest of the world was decolonised with Washington's support to end European colonial rule, America also had to abandon its own colonial-era practices to keep pace with the rest of the world. FDR was especially keen on dismantling the British Empire because he believed that the British were exploiting their colonial subjects but the Jim Crow laws could have existed today if European empires had survived and America's desegregation was an unintended consequence of the end of the colonial era.

     
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    Because that is the order that God ordained in Gen. 9-11 and we have now suffered enough under babylonianism that has confirmed he was right.

    Please keep thinking like that and soon your kind will be extinct. And then we will to have to suffer your genocide.

    Libertarianism is the rule of man. The rule of man always ends up with an Alexander the Great. Libertarianism is soft anarchy and it is just a justification for a tyrannical order to be imposed to solve the chaos.
     
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    Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. There are only two classes in the leftist perspective: the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. What races are those?

    When products are produced, they are sold to consumers and investors. The company owner makes money. Thus, the more productive workers are employed, the more money is made.

    Curriculum vitaes. Educate yourself.
     
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    I don't give a f--k about Holey Babble or my breed in this secular mixed race world.
     
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    Learn to read. he said 'everyone being white is boring'. Not 'everyone being black, brown or otherwise mixed is cool'.
     
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    Curriculum Vitae. Old school name for a resume
     
  14. Olivianus

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    Lets review the quotation from Engels above on the dissolving of nationality:

    "thereby to dissolve themselves, just as the various estate and class distinctions must disappear through the abolition of their basis, private property"


    Just stop man, you are embarrassing yourself.

    Which said consumers are now not buying nearly as much because they have to send much of their money back to their 3rd world families.

    The hubris of the obstinate.
     
  15. Olivianus

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    I'm guessing that you are white if you don't care about your race. Everyone else does. The statement that you just typed out is exactly why I am not intimidated by you in the slightest. That exact attitude is leading to your extermination:

    http://eternalpropositions.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/the-genocide-of-white-europeans/

    My children will not have to put up with genocidalists like you. Your kind will be extinct. The white liberals, and yes, you are a liberal, are exterminating themselves.

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    He used the word delightful.
     
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    It is the same as what Engels was saying, I'm a communist. Races do not constitute separate classes. I think mixing races is a better way to end discrimination than separating them.
     
  17. Olivianus

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    Classes is ambigious. Marx used that term differently. It can refer to a social distinction or to a category of class distinctions. Thank you for your honesty and clarity. When will the rest of Lincolnist America admit that their precious civil rights movement was a Communist Revolution?
     
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    The civil rights movement was hardly communist. The aims of the movement was clearly just to get accepted into the mainstream capitalist society, not to overthrow the state.
     
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    So lets get this straight:

    The idea that racial distinctions need to be eliminated to create a common class, via integration and miscegenation, in keeping with Communist ideas is admittedly Communist; but the movement that enforced racial integration and miscegenation is hardly Communist.

    Ok, that is very clear. You are a kind of person that is not worth dialoguing with. Goodbye.
     
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    Lol.

    I don't actually believe that "races" need to be eliminated, but I genuinely don't care if they are and I see no reasonable need segregate people or tell them who to have children with based on something as arbitrary as skin color and minor physiological differences.

    Most of the people in the civil rights movement didn't want to eliminate capitalism, or at least they weren't setting out to do that within the civil rights movement.
     
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    They're clearly separate ideas, it seems rather that politicians make the same stupid attacks no matter the period they're in.
     
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    Nationality , religion and race are concepts often used by the bourgeoisie to subjugate and control the working class.
     
  23. The Ego and His Own

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    Thank you for clearing that up for me. Please do read what Engels wrote about nationalities again:

    "To dissolve themselves, just as the...class distinction must disappear"

    Nationalities aren't class distinctions. They will just disappear along with them.

    I'll ask again. What race is bourgeoisie? Or the proletariat? Is communism finally revealing its true racial colors by advocating a worldwide bourgeois genocide?

    Wages, i.e. money given to them is their property. If they don't want to sponsor the US, then they don't have to sponsor the US except for taxes.

    A resume. A track record. Whatever floats your boat, man.

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    Hahah, nope. Source needed.

    Just curious: which one of these would you support? KKE, SYRIZA or PASOK?
     
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    'Racists' don't really qualify as 'everyone else'. Give me a reason to care about the nonexistent white genocide in the slightest. I will not be exterminated. Some obscure genes about my skin pigment may become 'extinct', but I am not a gene. I'm a human being.

    Blogs are not to be counted as reliable sources. Anyone could start one up and start spouting absolutely any type of bollocks.

    Are you utterly blind or illiterate, perhaps? I vote for the New Zealand equivalent of the Objectivist Party called Libertarianz.

    Where? Quote or it didn't happen.
     
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    Overly reductive nonsense. Marx was himself a racist, who believed that non-European peoples needed to be civilized in order to bring about the capitalist order. A capitalist order he imagined would naturally lead to a socialist then communist order. Marx was a racist who favored colonialism, as he believed colonialism would bring European progress to uncivilized places. He certainly did not believe in civilizational or cultural equality. He did however believe that race and other differences were superstructures that would break down as class differences were eradicated. So the argument he is making, is that as class disappears(it won't), racial difference, cultural difference, gendered differences, etc will naturally break down as well. A vastly different argument than the reductive nonsense you are pedaling.
     

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