11 year old girl defends herself and home with pink rifle!

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  1. CRUE CAB

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    Been a member all of my life. I shoot regularly at ranges across Florida, and my of them are catering to people with gun permits only.
    So that blows your idea all to hell.
    And I take this very seriously as well, always have. And I am taking the legislative side of it more and more seriously every day.
    Dont plan on members and gun owners on the whole to just roll over and take new laws that will do nothing but delve into our medical records and make our doctors proxy players in a gun law that will not and could not stop the type of killings that have yall in a tail spin over.

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    Falsehood, how about straight up lies.
    Bet the mods wont say anything about that here.
     
  2. Pardy

    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why does this mean that an NRA member can't be a criminal? You can get a permit without a background check. Interesting reading:


    What should the mods do? Swoop in and save you when you lose an argument? I'll remember that the next time I hear a complaint about "nanny states".

    How dare you accuse me of being a liar... read this forum and you'll see how many gun advocates mention how they've been victims of violent crime. It seems that every gun advocate has some kind of story to support their claim that they need their gun. It's awfully convenient!
     
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    No links? thought so..................making up lies is a favorite pastime of Libs. Proffering them up as facts destroys your credibility
     
  4. CRUE CAB

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    Losing? You have backed yourself into a corner you cant get out of. You called us criminals, now you sighting some random unsubstantiated claims of a far left news paper to back out of it.
    Sorry, your true colors have come out as nothing by anit gun, anti NRA and its membership.
    I have yet to hear of a gun owner "complain" of being a victim of crime, but I have read some accounts of where a gun stopped a crime in progress or saved a life.
    You wish to call all of them liars, I even told you were you can find many articles on just those same things.
    I bet you have yet to do so. Why, because you have made up your little mind.
    And yes you are a liar with your comment that NRA members are running meth labs. I got a 20 that says any meth house dealers and cookers that have been caught are NOT members. There are 5 million members and all cant be the same type of choir boy you claim to be.
    And if there a break down in the permit system, what is it? 1% of all permitted citizens.
    The instant checks make mistakes to and disallow non felons from getting guns.
    But there is a system in that, that can have that recified if the person turned down wishes to find out why and prove that there is no reason to be turned down.
    And it works.
    No system is perfect 100% of the time. But you wish for 100% of citizens to not be gun owners.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No link? I included a link. Who's the one making up lies?

    I don't see any corner. As I stated, not all NRA members are criminals.

    Yes I'm proudly anti-gun and anti-NRA.

    This proves my point. Gun nuts claim that they've been victims of violent crime and needs their guns. Far too many make this claim... it's suspicious and very convenient.

    Where do you think that implying that I'm stupid will get you?

    Mass murderer Adam Lanza had an NRA certificate. How are unstable people getting NRA certificates? There needs to be tougher laws or an alternative to the NRA.
     
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    Ted Kaczynski had a phd from Stanford. How are unstable people getting teaching certificates. There needs to be tougher laws or an alternative to Stanford.

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    Obama has a Nobel peace prize even though he supports drone attackes that leads to death of children...How are "war mongers" getting Nobel Peace prizes? There needs to be tougher laws or an alternative to the Nobel Peace prize

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    Yeah, because I don't want children handling guns unsupervised I'm defending criminals. What?

    I ask again (and again): Do you really want to ignore the statistics of children getting hurt and killed by unsupervised use of guns? Parents should protect their children! This is a case of neglect and the parents should be ashamed.
     
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    Proudly anti gun. Then we have nothing to talk about.
    You will never convince me of your reasoning, no matter how flawed. And you are dug in like a tick in the idea that guns are bad no matter what.
    Its called agree to disagree.
    But when you start calling or even implying that a good portion of 5million members of a group that fights for rights that are part of the birth document of our nation are criminals.
    You lose the arguement right then and there.
     
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    No, I wouldn't leave my 11 year old home alone, that is the point.

    I find your stance here odd given that last week you were against a child having a gun.. Either you're being hypocritical or you really feel 11 is an appropriate age to leave someone at home alone, and with a loaded gun in the house no less.

    Either way you are wrong.

    The fact that in this particular case the little girl shot the intruders doesn't negate the fact that in general little 11 year olds shouldnt be left home alone.
     
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    since the girl in question did the right thing, I don't see where the problem is. More children are beat to death by other family members. So, you're accusing her of being a criminal and want to hold the parents in account...typical Lib reasoning...NO CRIME, but someone has to pay for a non-crime................... what kind of left-handed logic is that?
     
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    Whether the little girl did the right thing or not is debateable. What is not debateable is that the parents did NOT do the right thing by leaving her home alone.

    It is pathetic and indicative of abject stupidity that you and others ignore that simple fact simply b/c you want to defend the right to own guns. It's idiotic in fact.
     
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    you posted no such link for this statement.............two misrepresentations now?
    your losing traction.
     
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    so, it's the parents fault since you cannot lay the blame on the crims. Let's not deal with the fact that these guys committed a crime by breaking and entering. If they had not done that, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
    So, like a lib, you just gotta blame someone, but not the criminal. they were just there for a good time, as some have indicated.

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    it is our Right................. and since you admit to being the aggressor here...............that makes you a criminal for dictating policy to us. I wonder what Right that is?
     
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    Give it up, I have. No taking to them about it. They will find a way for, 1 the victim is in the wrong, 2 the parents were in the wrong, 3 the crimnal was not to blame.
    Even when they back themselves in a corner they wiggle out by changing the subject or finding some BS link to some BS article in some BS news paper that is ran by the left.
    I gave them where to go to read about similar instances, and it fell on deaf ears.
    They are so anti gun and anti personal responsibilty, they rather that 11 year old girl just be another murder and or rape statistic.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not misleading anyone. I actually do find it interesting that so many NRA members are involved in violent crime, especially as victims. As my grandpa said, where there's smoke, there's fire.
     
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    Either prove that or at least provide research that "so many NRA members are involved inviolent crime" or I will continue to call you a liar.
    There is no such link between members and crime, we are not criminals. Nor are we sought out anymore by criminals to offend against.
    But when crime comes our way, usually we are in a position to defend ourselves, our homes, our families.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess we agree that there should be tougher laws and more regulations to prevent harm to society. This would include increased gun control and re-instituting the Assault Weapons Ban. :thumbsup:

    I would have told my daughter to run from any danger, not to go and get mommy's gun. Since she was brand new to gun use, I hazard to consider the horrible consequences if she missed her target. The best thing would have been for her to run from danger.

    Who is stating that a crime wasn't committed? The burglars broke in and that's illegal. The parents left their 11-year old alone.... the legality can be questioned, but it was certainly not the right thing to do. 11-year olds should not be in charge of households. If there was a house fire, would she know what to do? Maybe a gun will protect her from that?

    Who's gonna call the cops on him then? So much drama. :fishing:
     
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    I've never written that there was no crime. Not one sentence says that. Again: Not. One. Sentence. The burglers should be punished and will be punished.

    What I wanted to point out is the opinion, children should take care of themselves and their household, even if this means using guns, which some of the people here seem to support. It has nothing to do with criminals getting away unpunished. It's all about responsible parenting and that's what I criticise.
     
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    Diane Feinstein
     
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    11 is not to young to be alone for a short while.
    There are millions of latch key kids in this country at that age. Either one parent or two but both work.
    Its unfortunate, but it is what it is. Parents have to work or leave the house for a legit reason that they cant take the kids to.
    Raise adults, not children.
     
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    What would you have told the elderly gentleman who managed to shoot the man who had broken into his store and was bludgeoning his wife with club a couple of weeks ago? Would you have told him to run away while his wife was beaten to death?
     
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    Really. Maybe the house is set up where there is no where to run. I know from my bedroom area there is nowhere to run. Its stand and fight or be a victim.
     
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    You notice, the avowed anti gun crowd there is no right answer if it involves fighting back or not being a victim or use of personal responsibilty.
    The girl should have just laid there and hoped the rape was over fast.
     
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    of course there is millions of latch key kids in this nation, and as a nation we are in a far (*)(*)(*)(*)tier place than we were back when mom (usually) made sure she was at home with the kids.

    Again , you are being a huge hypocrite in this situation.

    Here, I would have had no problem with if mom was home and the 11 y/o was the one who got the gun and shot the criminals. No problem. I mean I would have thought it strange that an 11 y/o did what an adult could not. But the point is I can't think of a single situation where a mother would have put her daughter in that situation.

    Pathetic that you can't divorce the two issues here.

    Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) that she shot at scum bags. Imagine if instead it would have just been a couple kids playing pranks on the porch instead. An 11 year old can NOT under ANY circumstances process the information to come to an adult decision the way an adult should be able to. Hell,, I argue that most adult Americans are idiots who shouldn't be trusted with any decision more complicated than what to have for lunch, let alone children.

    Now you can continue attempting to justify this all you want, you know inside yourself that there is no defense or justification for putting an 11 year old child in the situation that child was in.
     
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    Your post demonstrates the typical thinking from anti bill of rights zealots. Your response ALMOST implies that you would prefer that this girl not have been armed; then what would have happened?

    Anti Bill of Rights thinking is that all guns are evil so we will all be better off without guns, the problem is, bad guys aren't interested so they aren't going to be disarmed. Better that three burglars find her inside the house without the gun? They're already criminals and weren't very concerned about violating B&E Laws, what other crimes would they commit given the opportunity.

    A young girl in a situation against THREE Attackers comes away from it unharmed... why do you have a problem with that? Why do you have a problem with more young ladies having the same empowerment?

    And if the poor girl in KY were armed, what would have happened?
     

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