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Vagueness. Please explain what you specifically want to know.

 

What are you going to try to tell us next? Reagen was a progreesiive for his Star Wars project? The drone aircraft were progressive?

 

You don't get to change your party's history just because it is bad. You are still the party of racism, now you just try to profit of off old scars and white guilt. The result is more hate crimes an race riots occur in democrat districts then republican ones.

Your gun control laws also lead to the most violent cities. 80% of gun deaths occur in democrat districts. 76% in just the 30 most violent.

Your socialist medicine policies abroad trail us in survivor rates in every category. Every type of cancer, etc...

We were a super power by the time we won WW1. The guilde age that preceded was out most capitalistic, and the middle class grew in leaps and bounds, GDP grew mush faster the under Obama, and we absorbed more poor immigrants.

Socialism is a big failure wherever practiced. Tallahassee is a prime example, the poor workers living next door to the rich goverment workers that pull their salaries out of the people.

 

I'll bite.

I'm not sure of all the diverse definitions & cool labels, but i'll look at it from my perspective, & i'm pretty sure you'd label me 'conservative'.

1. The declaration of independence.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, Granted, it was pretty radical for the time, but as a radical american, it still works for me.

2. The constitution.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
I know this is passe, too, & many of the modern left see it as outdated & inconvenient. But i like it, in a radical libertarian kind of way..

3. Fiscal responsibility.
I know, that is not in vogue now, but it is still the only viable way to run any entity. After decades of liberal fiscal irresponsibility, we're either looking at some severe austerity, or perhaps a currency collapse (restructuring). At some point, conservative fiscal values will have to be implemented.

But you are right in that the leftist propaganda machine has been running full steam for quite some time, & it will no doubt continue to deceive the american people to vote against their own best interests.

 

Unusual and curious. Why Reagan? No, he was a militarist... he enjoyed the military yet never served in WW2. Neither here nor there because he's dead. Why would Star Wars or drones be progressive... well I suppose when talking technology they are progressive...but no, Reagan was very a very traditional, old fashioned man... quite normal for his age and time in which he grew up as well as geographic location (Dixon, IL) and the development of his core principles, ideals, beliefs, etc. were. ...and nostalgic to the point of ruin. The WW2 battleships never did pay for themselves and were pulled out of service rather quickly. You'll say they were used effectively at XXX battle scene... and I'll say that there were already ships that could perform their functions.

 

You are F'ing stupid, Liberals want to work hard and also want to GET A LOT OF PAYBACK for their work- to FIGHT TO GET MORE, to MAX OUT, not like dumbasss conservatives who are willing to bust thier asssses for peanuts.

 

Where did you get the idea that Conservatives work for peanuts? I work hard and get paid well. All those people complaining about rich people not paying their fair share are envious Liberals. All those people on the unemployment lines, pumping out babies for welfare checks are mostly Liberals. Then look at OWS...bunch of lazy Liberals. Your anger proves I'm right, or you wouldn't get so heated. Lay off name calling by the way.

 

You're a f'ing idiot! Just as many welfare A-holz are conservatives (see: the Red States), Many, Many, Many leftists WORK HARD and MAKE GOOD MONEY.....like me! But I want to use govt. to TAKE EVEN MORE free stuff.

 

The history is the same, the owners/parties of the policies or history changed 180° ...

Racism. Ah, using the psychological practice of projection. Do you have anyway to cite your claims?

What gun laws are you writing about? Please give examples.

Again, cite your claims.

Your WW1 claim can be disputed depending on what things within super power we excelled in. I'm not saying you are wrong, I just need more info.

Error: The middle class as defined currently did not come about until after WW2 and the appearance of collective bargaining.

Surprise. The U.S. is socialist by practice. Don't go down this road unless you can defend yourself adequately.

 

This is correct. You might add that the red states use more Federal money and pay back less. That's big time welfare.

 

No Dixiecrats just slowly lost. Even you know the Dixiecrats still had power in Florida until Jeb. Nice balanced budget since then, despite all the debt interest the Dems ran up.

Only one Dixiecrat switched parties. One.

Chicago. Flint. Detroit. Lots of dead blacks Americans thanks to the failure of socialism.

Look up the 30 most dangerous cities. They are Democrat run now, or have been for a long time and have an independent in office.

Strongest economy + strongest military.

When unions weren't smashing in the face of people that wanted to work and discriminating against blacks they were raising costs and killing their industries. Tht is why so few have jobs still and their stronghold areas like flint and Detroit are the two poorest cities in America. Big failure there.

It is getting there. The last socialist housing policy wiped out 30 years of moddle class gains all of the big Reagan year gains, and the Gingrich era gains - gone in one socialist policy. What is the next crusade? Not going to clean up the last mess first right?

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No Dixiecrats just slowly lost. Even you know the Dixiecrats still had power in Florida until Jeb. Nice balanced budget since then, despite all the debt interest the Dems ran up.

Only one Dixiecrat switched parties. One.

Chicago. Flint. Detroit. Lots of dead blacks Americans thanks to the failure of socialism.

Look up the 30 most dangerous cities. They are Democrat run now, or have been for a long time and have an independent in office.

Strongest economy + strongest military.

When unions weren't smashing in the face of people that wanted to work and discriminating against blacks they were raising costs and killing their industries. Tht is why so few have jobs still and their stronghold areas like flint and Detroit are the two poorest cities in America. Big failure there.

It is getting there. The last socialist housing policy wiped out 30 years of moddle class gains all of the big Reagan year gains, and the Gingrich era gains - gone in one socialist policy. What is the next crusade? Not going to clean up the last mess first right?

 

Not our fault retirees flee the democrat high cost of living states.

 

1. The declaration of independence.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, Granted, it was pretty radical for the time, but as a radical american, it still works for me.

What's passe about the USC? If you are a libertarian, you'll find that it will not work in the 21st century... it didn't in the latter part of the 20th. A great concept when we were still a frontier nation with small communities not in communication with others and quite divorced from Wash DC. I'm not claiming you are a libertarian... only mentioned it because you brought it up.

Well this is interesting. The U.S. went crazy with the charge card from 2001-2008 and we found ourselves in financial trouble. USF, you'll find that austerity does not work. It did not work in the nations in Europe that used it. That's a fact. The countries that infused money into their economies pulled out of the recession of 2007. It seems to be that the left or Democrats have to right the economy after a Republican president. As soon as the tax rates changed under Reagan, it became harder for the middle class to live... leaving a tax base struggling. Reagan had a recession and Bush II gave us another.

Now using "leftist" is derogatory. It's the same as calling you a fascist. Now are you wealthy? No you are not but I'll bet you supported Romney. That IS voting against your best interests.

I'll ask you this. Have you created any jobs? Progressives are labeled as takers.

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You don't get it, do you? Red states are takers. Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas, etc. Are these states high cost of living states? And where are these people going?

 

No they are not high cost states. That is why retirees from California flock there. NYers flock to here in FL. Just not Tallahassee because it is depressingly poor and the crime rate is much higher then the state average, just like all the democrat districts in Florida. The worst schools too, most livin in poverty, greatest wealth gap etc... Well you must know the harm your policies cause regular people.

If you don like them taking your programs, and they don't want them can we get rid of them at the federal level and you can let your states go bankrupt and leave the nations finances alone? How many democrat districts going bankrupt these days? 10, 12?

 

Greedy ole Lefter showing some honesty? Nice change of pace. Take what is not yours lefty, harm anyone not like you and make them pay for your priorities. Just dont pretend later that you are morally superior to the right. Remember that there is no difference between you and an armed robber, except balls.

 

The Dixiecrats were a one year party. Check out your history. They died out before you were born. Prior to Jeb, we had Democratic governors: Graham and Chiles most recently. I knew Chiles personally and been in a meeting with Graham. Neither were or are Dixiecrats. Chiles didn't even qualify as a "blue dog.'

Make up your mind. Either the U.S. is socialist or capitalist... your pals in here would beat your brains out for saying we're socialist. Now, are you familiar with population size and crime? You might ask about why the most successful universities are in big cities. The best museums. The best hospitals.

Independent? Which city? You made the claim so you would have to know. Again, I'll point to the above and look at the success they have. Let's take you. You are probably successful in some way, maybe not. Do you have any negatives?

Are those the only criteria for a super power?

Man, you can chant the mantra pretty well. So you are admitting to being woefully unaware of why Detroit and Flint went down. And you deny that huge salaries went to CEOs that couldn't perform and that couldn't make sound business decisions on what automobiles will sell as gas prices went up and a global market place began... and that these CEOs got their golden parachutes while workers suffered. So, move those factories elsewhere but don't redesign as Toyota, Honda, and Nissan kicked butt.

So socialism is getting there? A mark of foolishness is when one cannot see what's around them. We have technically been socialist since the 1930s. If I need to explain that, you are lost. Have you considered that your police and fire departments- part of municipalities, are socialist? Oh yeah. You pay taxes which go toward their pay and purchase of vehicles and facilities. You don't pay a cop out of pocket for coming to your home, do you? Public roads are socialist things paid for by taxes. You don't pay to drive on an interstate do you?

You cannot even spell and there is a spell checker. What you wrote within is quite disconnected. You may rewrite it for clarity.

 

quite easily: conservatism is present on both parties. They are evidently in the majority as there's no revolution going on.

why is progressivism forward and not backwards? How can you be sure?

Liek the conservatism during the revolution probably being in favour of some kind of aristocracy and monarchy, whilst the later ones are drawing their inspiration not from the british empire but from the american republican tradition and thus are more classically liberal.

The bible justified to abolition of slavery also. Conservatism isn't necessarily about maintaining traditions and status quo just for the sake of it, they do want to push society in a direction. What I said is that lincoln was a conservative, and he wanted to push more to liberty because he was a conservative that drew inspiration from the established republicanism and natural rights thinking of america.

It does exist, it's just not very common and it does lack good reasoning and logic to back it up. Reactionaries are for some reason also of conservatism, even though they per definition want to roll things back.

Exactly. But where is forward? That's what I mean with there needing to be another ideology to complete reformist conservatism, which answers the question 'where to go?'

hmm? I was just doubting my ability to formulate my thoughts., but it appears you were tagging along quite well anyways.

Really? It just so happens I'm an amateur linguist, so I know grammar. But I don't really cares about a few types here and there. really again? Well, thus far I feel I'm doing the teaching but I can wait. explaining liberalism is quite fun too yeah.

 

I call all southern democrats back them Dixiecrats. I know they were still members of the Democrat party. That is the point. That old she coon ran up the debt and started the Florida enterprise system. Glad he is gone.

we are capitalists with a givernment drifting towards socialism.

yes, republican local districts putnumber democrats in population but have far less crime per capita.

Private universities, mostly built during the guilded age and before socialism. You may ask why the quality is going down with all your subsidies, but you don't care about quality, you are a democrat.

population has its perks. Tallahasse doesnt have as many museums as we have here though.

Private run. Walter Reed is what you can expect from government medicine. How many times did they have to rebuild so far?

i think high crime buffalo has a lefty independent. I may be wrong. Flint detroit. Go on, tell me how succesful they are. I will throw literacy rates at you tht would make the 3rd world feel pity.

you already take 50% might as well come for the other half.

[Quotes]You are probably successful in some way, maybe not. Do you have any negatives?[/quotes]

Loads, but I pay my bills and stay in my means and don't take from others for the things I want. That is why I am not a democrat.

Has any other in history when judging superpowers?

thanks. Was a lefty then i saw the light one day and realized they were either ignorant or full of $;&; with the exception of a rare Redalgo type mixed in.

let me guess, you are going to blame it on republicans no longer in office there but who had built that city, an blame it on rich people, the lefts favorite Villian.

Predictable. Why do auto factories get built in the south away from the grip of the unions and close in Detroit then?

Then stop at roads and police. I love how limited you guys get when claiming credit for government programs. Why not tell me how wonderful project housing is? I have never heard that the right was soft on crime. Our laws and the data suggest otherwise. Private industry builds roads by the way, and they can do it cheaper if government didn't block infrastructure all the time. Look at all the cash and resources wasted over Obamas stalling of the keystone pipeline. You can't monopolize an industry then claim you are awesome because you provide a certain good that you don't allow competition. The best private industry reference we have is rail lines, and private industry in its short time before nationalization laid more track then in the Lon time since. China today build more private industry roads them we build.

I am using a phone and I type faster then it appears on the screen so you will just have to deal with auto correct and typos for now. Typo insults are a tool of the large headed.

 

Liberalism means you are free to tell everyone what to do and take whatever you want.

There is nothing "liberal" about it, it is just that people realized "progressive" means "socialist" so they switched names. Liberal sounds good, even if it is the opposite of what they believe.

 

Of course there is.

Because it's not regressive. How can I be sure? Because I'm not demanding health care be private and expenive. Because I support a superior form of government, a Unitarian form of government. Because I believe in heavy regulations of corporations and banks for the sake of the citizens. Because all people should come before a company's profits. Shall I go on?

I suppose a love of King George III would be conservative... what the colonists did was progressive in that they created a government which had never existed. Well, the Vikings of Iceland were very democratic which was progressive.

The Bible supported slavery. You'll have to provide a passage for me. I am an atheist so I'm limited to what my business partner knows as a former preacher. The Republican Party during Lincoln was much more, accommodating, I guess. It would be hard to compare 1860 to now. Not the same social climate.

They react fast to situations usually in a manner inconsistent with well-thought out answers to problems. I suppose reactionaries exist on the left, or did.

Forward is addressing social problems such as racism, fair pay, liveable wages, better education. It's addressing the rights of women to medical privacy. It's understanding and engaging other cultures with respect. It's allowing society or segments of society to choose their direction without unauthorized approval from godsters and conservatives that promote individual privacy yet want to know what you are doing in your bedroom or who you co-habitate with.

 

Sir or mam I love your brain but your all over the board here...you were talking IKe and try to imply the Interstate highway system under Ike was meant for the consumer and you know dang well Ike was a general in Germany during WWII and knew the value of the autobaun for defense... thats conservative. Battelships? name another navy vessel that has 16 inch plus guns that can sofften up a beach? and pulled out of service? still remember the Missouri lobbed 2,700- pound shells against Iraqi command bunkers in the Gulf war in 91'....anyways to say conservative is dead is just hilarious... because Conservatism and liberalism go hand in hand with out
the other a nation burns...

 

You have a mental illness. There is not a shred of truth in anything you write. Your fellow conservatives on this forum are ashamed... at least one is. I received a private message from one saying you made conservatives look bad and hurt the overall conservative effort.

Why haven't you created any jobs?

 

I will try to explain it simple... at work I always take the conservative approach to fixing a problem, reading the blue prints sizing up the problem and dont make a mistake, some coworkers of mine want to take the progresive approach run around like chickens with their heads cut off, change I/O boards.duct tape stuff, take a 6 foot cheater pipe to a wrentch instead of just getting a new bolt and nut or filing down the threads..... Have I slowdown now in life? yup but I never make thousand dollar mistakes like my coworkers do.... does that make sense why we need both progressives and conservitives?

 

Barack Obama called a minute ago and said you are not the person you have been waiting for.

I do employ people. Thanks to the jump in healthcare prices for young people this year their raise will be smaller. How does that help them again?