Susan Rice says Snowden Top Secret Leaks No Big Deal!

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  1. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    no

    they are, we're looking out for them

    he does, they would

    they warned, we investigated and found nothing doing

    the tsarnaevs fell through the cracks, they should have been monitored

    our record on preventing homeland terrorism isn't bad



    your line of endless deceptive questioning just shows how dishonest and/or deluded you are




    i'm saying you're completely wrong and utterly ridiculous

    i'd wager i've been saying europe is our friend for more decades than you've been alive
     
  2. Riot

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    Lol. Sorry you are funny. We are spying on them to protect them. Again. Lol that's amazing. You are amazing how you think that's not the dumbest thing ever spoken here. Again you are saying we are spying on them to protect them from terrorist. Amazing. I see why so many have put you on the ignore list.
     
  3. dujac

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    ever heard of wwI and II?
     
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    Didn't realize we were at war with all of Europe in either war. And why would you bring that up. You have already said we were spying on them to protect them. Now you are referring to something different. Please pick a path to protect your savior and stick with it. Please don't be like your lord and lie.
     
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    "while we very good at campaigning, are hopeless and pathetically inept at actually leading a country to the point where we lack the diplomatic fortitude and leverage necessary to so much as recover a single citizen from another country. We are now reduced to belittling the man in order to save face, which ironically is only serving to further clarify just how incompetent we are, and yes, this incompetence is but a microcosm of what the handling of Iran has been, is being, and will continue to be like."
     
  6. dujac

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    how could you be more ridiculous?

    you're obviously the one lying and your lies are whoppers
     
  7. Riot

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    Whatever I'm done here with you. You have said we were protecting them. That's why we were spying on them. Them you implied that they are our enemy. Then you said we were spying on them Incase a terrorist called them. I heard your ignorant story so unless you choice to change your statements to something more believable then I will listen. Till then happy trolling.
     
  8. dujac

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    we're protecting everyone on our side, plus some


    only in your delusional assessment

    i made it quite clear that europe is our friend

    i said that may be one possible scenario

    you realize terrorist make phone calls, right?

    everything thing i've said is completely consistent and logical

    your comments on the other hand, seem to be trying to say up is really down

    sure you are
     
  9. Riot

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    Ok one more time. You said they are our friend then when I asked about not trusting them to tell us about an attack you brought ww1 and ww2. What wee you implying?
    Now with spying on them you said we were spying on them Incase a terrorist called them. And we are just doing it to protect them. Why do you think they need our help? Do you not think they are smart enough to handle thing properly?
     
  10. dujac

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    we saved our european allies

    we've spied on them since before the revolutionary war

    you don't think they heed help?

    they're light years ahead of you
     
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    Two weeks ago, they were going to "get people killed" according to the Obama Sec. of State, John "Stolen Valor" Kerry; now that the Red Chinese and Obama's Pimp, Vladimir Putin, have RUBBED OBAMA's NOSE IN IT, Snowden is , suddenly, just a " 29 year old 'hacker' ".

    Yeah, that's fooling everyone.
     
  12. sammy

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    Obama and Kerry are idiots that couldn't run a toy truck, so others lie
    to cover their incompetence up.
     
  13. Riot

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    Again we spy on them to protect them. But now you are saying they could handle it themselves. Which one is it? Are they smart enough to handle it themselves or are they too dumb and need Obama to protect them so we have to spy on them. You said both of these things. Not me.
     
  14. dujac

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    show me where you think i said that
     
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    You said that we were spying on the EU to protect them. Why would you protect someone that is capable of protecting themselves? You know what you said. So stop trying to recover. Look I understand you were trying to help your lord and savior Obama. You are his watchtower. That little annoying booklet that shows up at your door pushing a religion. You are just trying to push the church of the heathen Obama. I understand.
     
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    you're confused


    yea, just like i know you're lying about it


    you're projecting, what i've said is correct and logical

    what you've said is just bs


    obviously all you have are lies and bs

    no wonder you guys turned what should have been an easy win into a miserable loss

    [video=youtube;NtZWwgw__WY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtZWwgw__WY[/video]
     
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    Ah, interesting. I was not aware of that.

    I think it's also worth noting the charges were dropped against Drake, and he plead guilty to a lesser crime.

    And of course, Drake's case demonstrated an interesting point. Even though the program was against the law, reporting it to the proper authorities did not address the problem. Snowden, being familiar with Drake's case would not have any reason to believe his complaints would be met with anything other than an equally unpleasant outcome. In essence, Snowden had no reasonable outlet other than the press, in which to report the abuse because the chain of command was likely already aware.

    There is no clear cut line here, because Drake's case demonstrates that there is no operational method in which an abusive program can be reported and addressed. If Snowden had concluded that he had no accessible means other than the press, he could argue that he lacked a proper method of grievance. However, this would not likely be accepted as a valid argument, and in fact, it falls short of Drake's ability to make that argument, since Snowden did not attempt the process.

    While whistle-blower protections do not appear to provide much of a defense for Snowden, extradition of this kind is very difficult because of the very nature of foreign affairs. Additionally, public opinion and political will plays a huge role in Snowden's fate. It is unlikely he would face the full extent of the law, and rather the outcome is more likely to resemble what happened with Drake. The worst case scenario is that Snowden ends up sipping margaritas with Assange in Latin America.
     
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    such "leaks" can't be a "big deal" simply because our federal Congress cannot justify "big deal" tax rates under our form of Capitalism.
     
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    Hi there. Welcome to the forum. Yes... it is interesting that the whistleblower protection act for the intel community doesn't protect people, but protects the divulged information from reaching congress. It is just a redaction program.

    However that is far from the worst case scenario. The Russians could torture what he knows out of him and leave him in a frozen river bank... he could be rendered/assassinated by the CIA... or really... he could be droned out according to this admins logic.

    Drake also did not release secret files... he just had some in his possession. Snowden faces much more reprisal than anyone outside of the FBI guy who was selling secrets to the Russians.
     
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    Susan Rice and Obama must be very close. Because that's the same thing he's saying lately; it ain't no big deal. And he's just a 29-yr old hacker. :wink:
     
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    I don't expect the torture or assassination scenarios would take place. Perhaps I'm overestimating the level of discretion still in the world, but it seems to me that too many eyes are on this. Besides, I have to tell myself that world leaders and their intelligence communities are smart enough to realize Snowden's death would incite a hacking war. I know it's deviating a bit from the subject, but no one knows how much information is just floating around out there in the hands of potential activists, just waiting for a reason to retaliate.

    Additionally, in a world of carrots and sticks, Russia would be more wise to give Snowden a carrot. Since this type of leak is most likely to be to the detriment of the U.S., foreign governments would be wise not discourage it. And by detriment, I only mean being caught in yet another contradiction. The focus on Snowden is nothing more than an attempt to distract the public from the fact the government continually breaks the law.
     
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    Comity, my good sirs, comity.
     
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    Yes, Danny Glover and Roseanne Barr claim that Snowden is a hero, so Obama has been speaking kindly of Snowden lately.
     
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