Gay lobby’s next target: Benefits in all 50 states

Because a marriage license involves being of the appropriate age to understand the ramifications of such a contract. While it could be argued that some minors could understand what a marriage entails, to argue that a horse could is beyond insane.

 

if you want to debate the issue like a rational adult, I'm more than willing.

if you're going to bring up retarded arguments like the above, don't bother.

 

The homophobe lobby just isn't doing very well in denying an American's constitutional rights.

First racial emancipation, then women's suffrage, now gender-equality in marriage law.

Progress can be unsettling.

 

That's how I picture the average gay activist.

10 bucks says that the majority of homosexual couples won't even get legally married once it becomes law - many straight couples are turned off by the whole prospect of legal marriage, yet homosexual couples seem to think they're living in the pre-Emancipation era because it isn't allowed. It seems like they want it more just because they "can't have it', then that they actually want it for it's own sake.

Myself I have no plans or real desire to get legally married, and even if I wasn't allowed legal marriage, I wouldn't care because I have no real desire for it, nor do I view it as a Constitutional or human right in any sense of the word.

This is why I find a lot of homosexual whiners amusing. I'm actually hoping that it'll be legal nationwide just so they can get over their persecution complex, and stop making light of people who truly were persecuted, like blacks.

 

LOL, the only whiners with a persecution complex are the crybabies who oppose gay rights. You guys are losing your fight against equality.

 

Gays already have equality. They're allowed to marry someone of the opposite sex.

If I lived with a straight male roommate, and decided I wanted to get married just to take advantage of tax benefits, I wouldn't be allowed to do that either.

Unlike whiny gays I'd move on with my life instead of cry 'persecution' and pretend I've ever experienced 1 iota of what people who actually are persecuted have been through.

10 bucks says you don't even have any real plans to get married once it becomes legal in your state.

 

But we're winning...

The whining seems to be coming from the anti-gay Right these days in the face of having an pro-SSM president, majority in the Senate, 30% SSM coverage among the US population, a largely pro-gay media/entertainment industry, a pro-gay Supreme Court majority, federal recognition, most big corporations in favour of it, and a majority (55%) of the US population who want SSM to be legal...

With that winning combination, why would we be whining??

 

Not winning anything other than an unwarranted sense of self-importance.

The majority of straight people don't even have a desire for legal marriage, and neither will the majority of gays once it becomes legal.

You were fine without it until someone said you "couldn't have it" - that's why this is a silly non-issue. The issue of women being barred from serving in combat never got a fraction of as much attention as the gay issue does, even though women are 51% of the population, while gays are only 3-5%

That's why this issue really is part of a bigger agenda. The 'rights' aspect isn't what it's really about, because most gays won't even care to use said rights even once they have them, just as most straights don't.

 

Silly rhetoric aside, we're winning. The only branch of federal government we don't have is the House. But Republicans are also pealing off left right and center....

 

This issue was addressed repeatedly already, though I see it might difficult to for facts and logic to break into that thick skull of yours.

Gays are a heavily-discriminated against minority, always have been and continue to be so today. Your attempt to trivialize the suffering of LGBTQ people is absolutely pathetic.

 

I'm sorry that equality puts you in such a tizzy.

However you must envision them, most patriotic Americans share neither your fixation, nor your despondency.

An ABC News/Washington Post poll published last week shows that 52% of Republican and Republican-leaning voters under 50 now support gay marriage, as do 81% of Republicans under 30.

 

So is this another one of those procreation arguments? Get back to me when states and the federal government start checking on whether people getting married are actually going to reproduce. As it stands, they don't, and have no plans to, because it's completely absurd.

 

What's that have to do with 'gay marriage'? Just because same-sex marriage is legal isn't going to automatically put an end to bigotry.

That's my entire point, this is an emotional issue which is less about rights than it is about political correctness.

 

Not equality, just political correctness thinly veiled as a true concern for 'equality'.

I care not one way or the other whether gay marriage is legal, nor do I care if straight marriage is legal, because why would I care if I have a "right" to something I have no plans to use? And why would gay activists either, other than because of delusions of persecution?

Since there is no true persecution going on in this country anymore, the left had to make do with "gays" now that true issues of discrimination (blacks, women, etc) are nonexistant. It's really just part of a political strategy and not about equality at all.

 

That's irrelevant, although I disagree. Essentially it's about the here-and-now rights - those who can now help their legally-married partners gain US citizenship. Those who can now visit their sick or dying partners in hospitals. Those who now pay the same inheritance tax as their heterosexual counterparts. No more "marriage-light".

In the long run, homophobia will ALWAYS exist, just like racism. But the more same-sex relationships are normalized, the more marginalized homophobic bigots will become.

 

All that matters was its having been addressed by the United States Supreme Court.

There is no shortage of nations under sharia law to accommodate the prejudices of those who feel alienated by American equality.

 

If the Supreme Court is wrong, that's not my problem.

Basic human rights were not intended to include the states being required to provide services on behalf of others (ex. marriage). Which is why marriage should be a state issue. This is according to the 10th Amendment.

Then you should feel right at home there.

 

Ah, so because you don't want to get married, that means nobody should care about this issue?

"Oh I'm not a slave, why should I care about whether slavery is legal?" Sound logic from a compassionate thinker.

Um, marriage is only one small part of the struggle for equality.

There is still massive, widespread discrimination against LGBTQ people in terms of employment, housing, social advancement, all of which have to be addressed still.

Who the F are you to declare "there is no true persecution going on this country anymore"? Let me guess, a white straight male?

 

Your opinion that it's wrong isn't our problem either. The reality is, what SCOTUS says goes. I may disagree with the ruling on campaign finance, but I respect it nevertheless.

 

So why aren't you fighting for the right for a brother and sister to be legally married?

Why weren't gay activists showing as much attention to the issue of women previously being barred from serving in combat, even though that issue affected a great deal more of Americans (51%) than the gay marriage issue (3-5%)?

Case in point about your delusions of persecution.

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According to the 10th Amendment rights not specifically outlined in the Bill of Rights are up to the states to decide.

 

That's not discrimination based on race or sex.

Your stat of 51% of Americans being women in the military who want to be in combat is laughable, even more ridiculous than your "50% of homosexuality is environmental" stat. 156% of your 'stats' are taken out of your ass.

Ah so I was a right about you. A clueless white straight male who thinks that there is no persecution or discrimination in American society today.

 

Being anti-gay is anti-American.

 

I'm just pointing out your double standard. Whether or not a brother and sister want to get married doesn't affect you so you aren't concerned with it. Likewise whether Ned and Fred want to get married doesn't affect me, so I'm not concerned with it one way or another.

Women are 51% of the population, so the ruling affected them even if they didn't have actual plans to serve in the military.

You wouldn't last 10 minutes in the shoes of a black man in the pre-emancipation era.

 

Obviously you are concerned enough with this issue to come into threads about gay rights and spend hours going back and forth talking about it. Who is it you are trying to kid?

Not really.

Are you drinking? Smoking something? WTF are you even talking about?

Again, you are sitting in a position of privilege feeling entitled to belittle and trivialize the suffering of others, and that is pathetic.

 

First, you're not a big enough man to admit a point. That's intellectual dishonesty and a sure path to my ignore file. Second, gay marriage is 100% new, a fabrication without precedent. We don't do that to long standing social structures on a whim.

Not for the better. There is almost no metric of social pathology that's looking up in any great way and certainly no metric that will improve with gay marriage.

Affirmative action IS racism and it's US law.

Now we're done.