Is Rudd the Mayor West of the World?

Now I was incensed when I heard the comment of Rudd’s on the ABC this morning.

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But what was it watered down too

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/qu...ink-batts-scheme/story-fni0fiyv-1226674555190
Well really… This is the sort of sleazy scumbag thing this fellow is about. How can this clown be so popular?

Don’t get me wrong, it is an apology of a sort and it will be the best we hear. BUT why has the apology been shortened? Because As the Prime Minister he is speaking as the current representative of the people.

Is this the new learned Rudd??? Yes it appears so, apparently he cannot apologise for his or his governments part in the fiasco that claimed 4 lives. But he can apologise on behalf of the people. When he was warned by the Unions opposition and his own ministry he simply booked another trip overseas. What a disgusting individual, obviously people’s lives were not his responsibility and he intends to distance himself as much as possible.

But there is more… His government stated through Shorten, declared that bosses are responsible for providing safe environments for their staff. Shift the blame as much as you can, seems the name of the game.

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I am sorry, but as government implemented, planned and funded program. I would have thought that they were as responsible as the private sector to insure the business they are dealing with are both legitimate and accredited to do the job they are being paid for. BUT no apparently not.

So it is not his responsibility it is that of the employers.

Mayor West in the Simpson is alive in Rudd I wonder if he got all this new Rudd from hours of the Simpsons. All he has to do now is put his hands in front of his face and say ‘ you can’t see me, so I am not here’.

Yes he did pretend this policy was perfect and right, because he could not be told by anybody.

 

Garry, bill shorten has a very legitimate point there!

 

No TV he is doing his job and deflecting the blame.

They had a responsibility to investigate the legitimacy of these businesses. I understand this takes time, and it was time they did not have. Shortcuts followed. It is unfortunate, but own it and don't take the cowards way out.

 

No, his attempt to shift blame is not a good point. I think it sleazy.

 

Bill Shorten hasn`t got a legitimate point in his body. If the principal specifier (fed gov), had professional competence of the average back yard handy man, they would have satisfied their duty of care, by excluding obvious death traps. All they had to do was to specifying that conductive foil NOT be laid over electrical wiring. If this simple, everyday practice had been followed, there would have been no problems.

 

There were electrical contractors involved in these contracts, especially in the first tragic incident! As an electrical company their first and strict point of advice to installers would surely to be: "enter a ceiling space with the main turned off"! This is basic OH&S practice from what I understand.

From what I also understand one of the contractors is facing responsibility for a death, due to their lack of training and supervision, therefor family is likely to recieve compensation from this case!

The government is responsible but you can't forget these "suddenly" shonky contractors who knew better, and allow them to get off Scott free! They were out to make a quick buck and greedily took the risk on employees safety!

 

The Government is responsible for creating a blatant, obvious death trap. The contractors are responsible for getting caught in a slimy, red tape trap.

 

The government created opportunity and the contractors were slime bags! The government is still responsible for not regulating but this is the height of greed at work!

 

Wrong, the principal entity managing any undertaking, is responsible for setting safe operating conditions.

 

Wrong, everyone on the job site is responsible, in this instance supervisors are grossly negligent for their failures to provide appropriate training, "including work safety"! They're the experts in the field!

 

This is the cheap dodge that the ALP are using. The truth is that there is no practical way to make such an idiotic method safe. If this issue wasn`t so serious, the very idea of Garrett and Rudd allowing such a death trap to be included in their operations, would be laughable. The degree of their incompetence, is so extreme, no one in the real world could possibly comprehend it. Simply put, if Garrett and Rudd had been minutely competent, the installation of conductive foil over electrical wiring would never have been allowed.

Blaming other people in this instance, is an indication of lack of character. To pursue the cheap tactic of saying that the power should have been turned off, to the next inevitable next step, we then have a situation where the insulation has been installed, the workers then leave a house with live conductive foil throughout the roof cavity. How can that be an acceptable result?

We have all seen the shifty footwork of the ALP, instances of union corruption etc., and the dodgy way that they avoid the truth, but in this case, there is no way for them to deceive their way out of it.

 

The point, I think, is that there was such a rush to push the legislation through that it was botched. To me that's the criticism, Rudd, eager to exploit the populist vote, felt it necessary to get the legislation through as quickly as possible so he could have another triumph in front of the people. It is in the same category as grocerywatch and the rest of it, populist and useless. He forced Garrett, no question of that, this is why so many Labor ministers were opposed to his return.

 

Absolutely right, but I suppose I can't get beyond these expert companies allowing young untrained individuals to perform tasks without knowledge or training of associated workplace risks(OH&S). There is still a massive amount of neglect on their part! Rudd was running on all cylinders probably trying to expose the laziness of the former government, along with addressing the stimulus issue! Yeah, maybe the stimulus was required and within a certain frame time to make it work, which prompted contractors to cut corners in their endeavour to grab as much slice of the pie that they could get, but still, workplace safety should never have been overlooked by these guys! They are the people on the ground directly responsible! Fudd failed in his responsibility by trusting the industry to do the right thing by its workers! It does expose how greed simply disregards morality!

 

JSA, simple.

 

The point is not to do with letting anybody off. The fact is the government has not regulated (TO THIS DAY) this industry. Sheeting the inside of a ceiling cavity with an alloy covered insulation blanket, covering the roof beams, electrical wire and stapling it to the timbers with metal tacks... Does not take a genius to work out that something was going to occur.

This is not about politics, although it does stem from it. This is about one man, I do not attribute this sleazy psychopathic, megalomaniac scumbag with either party. I do not denigrate Shorten for attempting to save this party over this, although it does smack of following orders. If these other party members continue to attempt to shift blame then we can talk about it.

Remember in the private sector everybody in the chain is responsible, from the initiator of the program to the man on the ground. This is social legislation the ALP themselves have introduced, supported and stiffened. However, the government is immune to prosecution for the very same activity as long as they can prove, that this could not have been foreseen. Could this have been foreseen? Well everybody else did including the minister he supposedly put In charge. He was warned no less than 10 times (4 times from his own ministers) BUT did he do anything to prevent this? NO. Now the sleazy scumbag will not even except any responsibility for his own egotistical megalomania. Let us look at his actions at the time

Houses start catching alight due to shorts caused by instillation. Ministers advise that these are issues of the program. Rudd, it’ll be right just got to fly to see my good buddy barrak.

Corruption of the program reported to Rudd. What does Rudd do, flies to China to meet foreign minister.
Installers reported to be injured, Rudd must go to UN and purchase that seat. Let the Health minister handle that one.

Deaths of installers, oh we had better pull this program it could hurt the popularity, Rudd boards another plane to rub shoulders with his mates overseas (although I think they consider him a bit of a pest at this time)

Then when asked about the continued risk of houses burning down with potential death of occupant? Nothing needs fixing until he realises that he has lost anything of credibility

Four people had died, and he could not even bother to learn their names… Years later you would think he could show a little remorse for his actions… NO, shift the blame.

This slime bag, deserves nothing but contempt. What I really want to know, is how can anybody like him when his demonstration of shifting the blame for a program that is squarely pointed at him killed people and he could not even apologise for his own part? This is a despicable man, I am sure everybody should apologise to the ALP members who pointed out his personality. Now we have public demonstration of their claim and it is disgusting.

US had Sarah Palin… Australia has Rudd and they made him PM, See America we can still out do you.

 

TV you don't really know about how this is handled in the private sector do you?

Everybody is responsible for sure, but from the start the principal is responsible to insure credibility of anybody involved is solid.

For instance the supervisors are responsible to insure the workers are appropriately trained true, contractor is to insure that the supervisors are also trained, and they are also responsible that proper procedure is adhered too. IT is the responsibility of the PRINCIPAL to insure that all proper policy and procedure are in place and adhered too. Should at any time failure of safety is noted it is the principal’s personal responsibility to shut down and investigate any issue no matter how small to insure at no time a re-occurrence can occur and report on the issue and with resolution.

Did the principal adhere to the strict OH&S policy the government itself regulated? NO. Did the principal investigate Warnings (even from their own ministers) this very occurrence could happen? NO. If the principle is not holding anybody to account for failings immediately on discovery or suspicion of safety breaches, then the principal is wholly responsible for that very failure as this is not adhering to procedural practice.

So attempting to excuse this sleazy psychopathic, megalomaniac scumbag with OH&S regulation, you should be aware that the LEGISLATION actually states he is on breach of the law. If you know anything about these breaches, you will find that the principal is equally responsible as the guiltiest party of the breach should they have been able to prevent the incident. These deaths should not have occurred.

So did he show any remorse? No, that was the old RUDD, he is buried in the back yard. This one is the new one, who is not responsible for the previous RUDD’s actions. Scumbag.

 

No, that is not the point. I am talking directly at this supposed person's personality. The policy was rushed, however that is no excuse for inaction when issues where raised. This scumbag waited until 4 people had died.

Could not even be bothered to learn their names and I question if he even knows them now. BUT then he does not apologise for his part, but as the representative of the people. Then he attempts to shift the blame for his very own failings in this matter. This failure is directly pointed at nobody else but RUDD, warned by his own ministers, opposition and the unions at the least. He ignored them until the warnings were realised. Then acted like the sleazy git he is...

Your point is sort of right, as to his motives but I am squarely looking at his character NOW. This demonstration is so despicable, it out shines the rest of these politicians worst. Garret you have to feel sorry for over this. Although he did sell his soul to be in the party, his inexperience was paramount here and now he suffered the insult of the nation over this. I am disgusted.

 

Foil insulation is apparently not the issue in itself as a product, it is the actual installation! Foil is extremely effective as opposed to fibre glass, especially in tropical areas! Another issue in QLD are how they run wiring on top of joists as opposed to other states running the wiring to the side! 1 million homes were insulated during this period dont forget!!! Obviously most were carrying out duties in a safe and responsible manner but there were obviously those that simply didnt give a sh!i about anyone's welfare but mammon!

To be honest, I'm not sure how you are looking at it, but you are obviously keen to bash Rudd, which is fine, there are a number of us on here who are bewildered by australias fascination with this guy! The other side of the coin we are equally or more so bewildered by the other bloke chomping at the bit to get his crack! The more I look at this issue the less I blame Rudd(not saying that there is an element of blame...obviously) and the more I become concerned with our societies values and the lack of professionalism of experts in the field entrusted and obligated to look after the safety of their employees!

I think you are speculating a little too bitterly at this point Garry, which I suspect maybe due to other issues that have you concerned!

 

As you correctly point out, this issue originated in the managerial incompetence of Rudd, and to a lesser extent, Garrett. They then failed to act on repeated warnings of the dangers that they were unnecessarily forcing upon workers. Now they are showcasing their lack of character, by trying to blame others for their own incompetence.

The truth is, it`s not realistic to expect anyone to work within such a stupid system as Rudd and Garrett allowed. They are so dishonest, that they are prepared to ignore the obvious fact, that even if this system was installed without incident, it would still result in conductive foil covering electrical wiring. How could anyone this dishonest, and/or, stupid, be trusted in any position that entails a trusted decision making role?

 

Are you attempting to justify this incompetence by proclaiming the product is essentially ok? So you are suggesting that laying alloy sheeting with steel staples is not an accident waiting to happen because building usually run wiring along the side of the beams? How do you consider they cross those beams in the first place? Don't forget all those homes needed to be examined and corrected if needed at a cost over $1billion. Don't forget it is the principles responsibility they only use appropriate contractors who demonstrate their safe practices and awareness operations. Don't forget Rudd ignored those basic requirements that governments demand of everybody else. No this is a copout for trying to excuse a scumbag for not owning his responsibility to human life taken early in a poorly managed and a foreseeable incident (and I do not accept these incidents can be called accidents).

This is not about comparing the people, it is about asking people how the hell they can live with themselves supporting this sleaze. The problem is that it is not the blame game, he has to accept some responsibility for this BUT he simply will not demonstrate the simplest amount of remorse for what his egocentric, megalomaniac scumbag act finally did. This is not about the politics but the man himself. As stated, he could not even be bothered learning the names of 4 people who died a program instigated by his government and controlled by Rudd himself. There is no justification for this at all.

Speculating!!! What the hell are you on about? He took principal control over this program to the point that the minister in charge could not do anything unless he went contrary to ALP basic policy. So he did the only thing open to him which would not have brought the entire ALP down and Warned the psychotic, megalomaniac scumbag on no less than 4 times in writing that this was fraught with danger and somebody could die. What did Rudd do? NOTHING, simply jetted off to another country to have a meal with another government official. Speculation? No, these are undisputed facts.

 

At first I would have considered it to be a server lack intellect. I would have yelled out he should tell us the extent of the warnings from his own party. BUT when he simply decided to convolute an apology that inferred that government had no hand in this, ergo he could not have known or reacted to such things thus saving the lives of 4 young people who should have been afforded the same safety standards the government demands of everybody else. But this scumbag will not demonstrate any remorse for his own part in this fiasco. He states he will meet with the family of these young men to apologise, will that also be as the PM of Australia?

Garret however, As he was in a position to actually do something, it would have crippled this government. I would suggest his inexperience provided his only excuse for not taking those actions. I am of the belief that should he contradict the leader of the country, legal implications could be brought against him. If only he known that the message would not get through to that megalomaniac thick head before somebody died. I am guessing he probably should have as the injuries were climbing, but again inexperience big factor. It is a brave politician to work against the leader of a country.

This scumbag should not have been elected let alone be the PM of Australia. How the hell does he hoodwink his electorate? Maybe the caucus could have been faster reacting to this scumbags actions (or should I say inactions) but due to the popularity game they simply seem to ignore him. This accident was months in the coming and the driver of the train wreck does not want to accept he was in full control… what a sleazy scumbag

I know that as soon as somebody questions his attitude, Albanese will be on the band wagon protecting his beloved saying they are trying to politicise these deaths. Fact is, this scumbag could not show an ounce of respect or remorse for people who died due to a government program he had full control over. Scuzz bucket could not even learn the names of the people who died due to his inaction after being warned by all about. Nobody in my mind can justify that sleazy scumbag for this in any way.

 

Garry, what I'm saying is that you are simply being a little disingenuous with your whole take.

Yes, if installed appropriately foil is the best insulator in certain climates!!! Our cars run on highly explosive fuels FFS, if they're not installed appropriately then there is a huge risk. Garry, the industry should perform under regulation as it has previous to this scheme. GREED, GREED, GREED and more GREED is the number one killer. Fudd is guilty of not taking this in to consideration and thinking that people will simply do the right thing. Those scumbags who sent those young people in without appropriate training should feakin be hung!

This is just an over-reaction Garry! I think you thought the train heading due right and was "unstoppable", but now Fudd uses his ego-centric ability to sneakily change the tracks and it is all becoming undone! I agree that he is a megalomaniac, but this is going a little too far gazza!

Fair point, but still an over-reaction!

 

If a member of the public, who held a decision making position in a private company, was to act with such callous disregard for workers` lives, they would correctly be facing a gaol term. These rsoles are supposed to be protecting workers, not killing them, it`s 2013, not 1013. One needn`t be experienced in the building industry to see that laying conductive foil over electrical installations, plumbing, media, telecommunications, and other services, is too stupidly unsafe to bear thinking about. In the real world, this system wouldn`t get past the most brain dead executive.

It`s no secret that the unions and the ALP consist of people who have no experience in constructive roles in society, but surely they should be able to handle something this simple? How stupidly dangerous are these idiots? They rely too much on lying their way out of trouble when they stuff up, never learn to deal with reality.

 

And eight jurisdictions which probably all varied markedly. Bout time we had one I think.

 

Garry's post 15. I agree with it. Interesting segment on Insiders this morning (I was listening to it on NewsRadio so I can't identify a couple of the voices but I know Gerard Henderson when I hear him) the point was made that Garrett couldn't get Rudd's attention on the problems with the insulation rollout. This is exactly why Labor booted Rudd. Good government, hell even competent government, was being tossed out in place of Rudd's pursuit of the populist vote. We had good government under Gillard, now we've got him back again and I don't think it will be long before the chaos resumes. Perhaps Labor should just forget about winning the election, accept it's going to lose, boot Rudd and bring back Gillard so the country can have stable government until the election. No, not going to happen I know.

But let me reiterate - I don't blame Garrett, I put this right on Rudd.