Would you be willing to accept temporary mass starvation to get rid of welfare?

Simple question.

Would you be willing to accept temporary mass starvation to get rid of welfare?


Many people want to eliminate welfare, and food programs.

As just one example.


Republican Congressman Stephen Fincher of Tennessee, who supports cuts to the program, had his own Bible verse from the Book of Thessalonians to quote back to Vargas: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat,” he said.



Wihout a doubt, if welfare and food programs were taken away Crime and starvation would skyrocket. Would the short term spikes in crime, and starvation be worth the costs?

 

Would you be willing to accept temporary mass murder of the wealthy, until the poor had enough to eat?


See I don't think things are that bad, that we can't work our way out without a lot of unnecessary violence, murder and mayhem.
I'd rather see higher taxes on the wealthy, than millions starving in the street. But maybe that's just me....

 

That'd be a no obviously, but it's a misguiding question. Why would there be mass starvation?

 

I don't support "getting rid of welfare".

I support trying to get people in a position where they have less need of government assistance.

 

Phase out welfare with government run job placement agencies in every city. After welfare is phased out, except for the mentally challenged, disabled, and old, if you don't work you will starve unless there is a very important reason for your unemployment. I don't know how feasible this would be, but its just a thought I had.

 

Cool reply. In small countries where the poor really felt that the wealthy feel no responsibility, or do not care that they starve this actually happens.

We aren't there yet, but shouldn't we start paying attention and not let it get there?

 

As a lifelong registered conservative Republican I answered No. In good economic times, efforts to dislodge moochers by degree would make sense and be doable. But right now the economy is so bad that the people couldn't find jobs or means to care for themselves. So simply kicking them out of the fort in this blizzard would serve only cruelty. Furthermore the bulk of the people on government assistance now are victims of the economic tsunami that swept thru our nation and wiped out their living. These aren't slackers. They are former workers and tax payers from every strata, though mostly blue collar. And they are from every political persuasion. That's one of the things Romney got wrong. Conservatives are hurting. As for the politician quoting the bible.....well....Satan and idiots can quote the bible too, out of time, in the wrong season and/or out of context.

 

In our society as it is now there would not be any mass starvation. We would go back to the system we had in the 30's, 40's and 50's---charity. Charity was much more effective then entitlements.

 

it still wouldn't solve the entilement problem. federal pensions, medicare, Social Security funds that aren't there because they were used to buy votes, and the bloated government workforce (who will get pensions later!) are what is going to crash the system.

 

If a compounding debt based monetary system is what we live in, then poverty, disparity and welfare is what we will live with.

 

I'd say maybe more tax on the wealthy, probably significantly higher minimum wages nation-wide, definitely more protection against cheap foreign labor, to get us fixed up a bit in a more sustainable situation.

What I see actually happening, however, is a global rebalancing. For the longest time, the third world has been dirt poor while we in western nations have been living high on the hog. Globalization is equalizing this situation, and this process is having the effects we're seeing now in both the first world and the third.

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Oh yes, so much can be traced back to the usurers..

 

People aren't going to starve until all the wealthy have been consumed. When we run out of wealthy, we'll have ALL the cows.

 

The left has claimed this every single time welfare has been cut, or limited. Every single time people got jobs and fed themselves. You think people who are not able to feed off their fellow man, once forced to take care of themselves will fail, or resort to crime? What low opinion you have of the human race. So, to you, these people are animals that have to be managed otherwise if left to their own devices they would prey on people?

I am not talking about the truly disabled. I am talking about the majority that are able bodied and take food from the quadriplegics mouth because they want to live irresponsibly.

People like this girl:

[video=youtube;NpY_YG4kNhs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpY_YG4kNhs[/video]

Notice also in the video she gets aid cut off for making the one good decision she talks about in the clip. But Uncle Sam won't let another man in the house, that is his baby momma now. Dumb policy.

 

How is making it illegal to hire someone who can't earn the higher minimum wage going to help the poor? Why do you think they would get paid this amount, rather then simply not be given the job at all?

How is taxing the wealthy more going to grow the economy? Why would you think government spends that money better then they do?

How is rising prices on nearly everything we buy going to improve our standard of living? What industries get protected, the ones with the most politicians? Aren't you calling for corruption then basically?

How does any of this lead to sustainability? Your 1st world v 3rd world argument assumes a fixed pie, but that is not the case. We both get richer. When the 3rd world produces nothing of value, we get nothing of value. When they produce things we can use and want, we get things we can use and want. We pay for them with good and things they want, and we are willing to sell. Everyone's life improved, which is why living standards even in the Obama recovery are very high in America.

 

- Forced from their homes in the deltas by flood waters, 100,000's of people flock to the larger cities in Bangladesh to seek money for food. Listed among the climate change refugees of this century, the villagers from the delta's are put in desperate and dangerous work environments to make shoes and shirts for those whose activities helped push them from their self sustained villages within the deltas.

- Fences were put up on the balconies of warehoused workers of the FoxConn Corp to prevent workers from jumping to their deaths to escape the working conditions of the factory.

- The cost of consumerism stretches to every corner of the world.

- "The biggest drought to hit the planet in the 20th century, the Sahel drought, sucked Central Africa dry from the 1970s to the 1990s. The severe famines that resulted killed hundreds of thousands of people during this period and gained worldwide attention.

A new study blames the dry spell on pollution in the Northern Hemisphere, primarily from America and Europe. Tiny particles of sulfate, called aerosols, cooled the Northern Hemisphere, shifting tropical rainfall patterns southward, away from Central Africa, according to research published April 24 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters." - http://www.nbcnews.com/science/africas-worst-drought-tied-wests-pollution-6C10282796

"The Human cost of consumerism - 200 Million + "
A new book claims that the victims of consumerism last century number between 170 and 200 million.

Everyone's life improved...no

 

These places have been flooded for a few million years. If those people would prefer to live where thy used too why don't they go back? If they don't want the job why did they apply?

 

No. Wiki
"One of the greatest challenges people living on the Ganges Delta may face in coming years is the threat of rising sea levels caused mostly by subsidence in the region and partly by climate change. An increase of half a meter could result in six million people losing their homes in Bangladesh."

It doesn't get this populated in continued flooding. Where are people suppose to go when their homes and lands are flooded out and the only recourse to feeding their family is to find available jobs that consist of inhumane and dangerous working conditions... conditioned by contracts of major corporations.

No... again Wiki ..
"In response to the suicides, Foxconn substantially increased wages for its Shenzhen factory workforce,installed suicide-prevention netting, and asked employees to sign no-suicide pledges. Workers were also forced to sign a legally binding document guaranteeing that they and their descendants would not sue the company"

Quit your job right now... how would you feed your family? Why would they commit suicide instead of just quitting?

Please... Natural disasters are happening more often, and having an ever more dramatic impact on the world in terms of both their human and economic costs. While the number of lives has been cut, the amount of affected people has risen to nearly 75% of the world's population. Denoting human reaction and preparedness is not exactly promoting the stint of rising natural disaster occurrences.

That is a pretty simplistic statement, as monetary systems, authoritarian groups and political leverage play a huge part in what happens to the value of that trade.

Monetary systems are forcing the world into poverty... consumerism is the basis to extending that monetary base, pretend all you want about the sacrifices others have to pay for cloths you wear, the food that you eat, and the products which bring so much convenience to your life, ...but it doesn't always work both ways, and often more than not, it works only one way...

 

Has there ever been a time it rained there before "climate change"?

Get another job. Are they located in a socialist country and are forced labor or something?

How is it increasing? Did we not have horrific weather in the earths past?
More people, especially more coastal people, = more damage as time goes on. How many carbons causes a hurricane? Etc.,,

I also despise democrats.

What country would be better off without any outside trade? Please name one. Just one.

 

Sorry? I didn't know you didn't know what a delta region was...

...and who is flipping the bill for the forced labor... or something?

...at this point, I'm failing to see why I'm doing the leg work...

...trade does not always equate to financial stability for the demographic of people at the bottom end of consumerism... a country as a whole does not equate to regions and groups... the trading of slaves is the most bluntest of its form in history, ...now it is done merely by proxy upon the bases of a monetary system and deprivation.

 

well that Bible verse is a good one and should generally be applied, but that's not the case in general with welfare. If we applied that principle, there wouldn't be mass starvation - there would be systematic abusers who would suffer and eventually be forced to work.

 

Yes. If that's what it takes to be free from the economic slavery and political yoke placed on America, I would gladly support a short-term starvation.

 

Starve'em. Let natural selection work its magic.

 

Those are certainly all issues, but everyone always focus's on the "moochers"

 

If they could find work. There are simply more people than jobs. Someone will be left out in the cold no matter what.

 

that's not usually true. I don't know why, with all the unemployment, we don't have a government office that actually tries to match unemployed to jobs (supposedly we do, but it's obviously ineffective). There are still tons of jobs that are hiring (last I heard, coal mining and timber was in sore need of hands), but those usually aren't jobs that are local or that people want. Since we're giving unemployment checks, I'd be fine with the government giving relocation assistance so that people can work in these well-paying jobs that require little to no prior training. It was a few years ago, but I read job offers from some coal mining companies that offered to cover relocation costs for new hires, w/o experience. The only requirement was a high school diploma.

The simple fact is that there is always something we could have people do. In an extreme scenario (just to make the point), if we were looking at a feudal society where everyone worked for one Lord, the Lord would always find something for his serfs to do. Likewise, there is always something for people to do today. The issues are usually: relocation, training (though a small amount will suffice for most jobs), willingness to work, and pay. There are some unemployed people who won't take jobs because they'll earn more under unemployment than at the job (that's just our system), and there are some jobs that would be available if the minimum wage wasn't so low. No, I don't *want* anyone to work for below $7.50/hr, but I'd rather people work for $6/hr than have no job.