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I am finding it rather disturbing to be honest but I'm starting to understand why my friend has cut off all contact with me too, especially if she has the same mentality as some of the folks here.

 

Well there wasn't much else choice in my case. Even if I wanted to keep my baby I didn't really have a choice and I certainly didn't have any more time to weigh my options. I think a lot of women don't feel like they have a choice or they feel backed into a corner when it comes to this. Sometimes I wish I had more options. I have some hope for the future tho, that it will get better.

 

For a 30-40 something, you seem very naive. Aren't you worried about your biological clock ticking down?

 

You sought to have a medical procedure wherein an independent life, growing in your womb was surgically removed and it's life terminated. And your friend is the one who is cold hearted?

I understand, in this particular instance, with an ectopic pregnancy, there were medical issues beyond simply not wanting to be pregnant anymore. Yet, you're showing no remorse, no regret, no sadness for the life once inside of you...a miracle really. A parasite to you. You've admitted, you probably would have gotten an abortion regardless. Your unborn child would have remained a parasite to you regardless of the absence of medical complications.

Is your friend religious? You are aware that the religious are under attack recently because we don't tow the line of progressives who think abortion is perfectly ok and gay marriage is great....the religious are viewed as "creepy" and the bad guys. She may think you're going to try and talk her out of her faith and be a negative influence on something important to her, her faith. I would respect the fact she may be religious and try to understand the issue from her point of view.

 

Infanticide is wrong, just like aborting a baby that's viable is wrong. That much seems obvious. My situation was not even close to viability let alone infanticide. That's a bit an extreme comparison don't you think?

 

Did you ever say to your friend "If I didn't have that abortion....I would have died. What should I have done?"

 

The pro-"lifers" are on full rage alert. Here is a woman who doesn't fit their narrative that she must be self-loathing and remorseful for having an abortion. Within their "lifer" minds, this does not compute.

 

Did you read Peachy's initial post?

She had an ectopic pregnancy....if she hadn't had an abortion she likely would have died.

So is it ignorance....or is your love of fetuses so culti-like that to even save a woman's life you would oppose an abortion. (Ironic, given it woudl still mean the fetus dies.)

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And she CLEARLY stated it was an ectopic pregnancy....a life-threatening pregnancy that required abortion to save her life.

So what do they do? Ignore THAT part....or claim she's a "sockpuppet".....why?

Because even admitting to ONE real situation that an abortion was necessary....by the standard THEY CLAIM to support ("to save the life of the woman").....they can't even do that.

 

Do you not see how you contradict yourself?

Neither was it an elective abortion.

It would be, but it's not one I ever made.

 

Well hun, I have been through hell and back again to be honest. For the longest time I have not wanted children because I never wanted them to suffer in life like I did. I was always terrified I would turn out like my mother and that my own kids would also be emotionally abused and become targets of molestation and other sexual abuse by adults. I really just didn't want to have kids and see them hurt the same way I did. Of course I want a family but I don't know if I will ever have a REAL family, an actual healthy, functional family unit. I guess some people are lucky enough to get deal the right hands in life and get to live the dream.

 

The young lady clearly posted to get some sort of affirmation....the progressives were quick to provide that.

Sorry, while I respect her candid approach and sharing such personal information, I can't condone or affirm the act of aborting a fetus. I'd venture a guess, if this young woman got pregnant again, she'd be off to the "clinic" to get the problem solved.

I refuse to affirm that sort of mind set. Abortion is not a big deal to her...great...she's got a perfect right to feel that way...and we have a perfect right to avoid people like that...as her friend is clearly doing.

 

Oh of course, but she knew that I sought the abortion before I ever found out that it was medically necessary because I told her. I guess she didn't care in the end that it was medically necessary, that I even sought an abortion at all was enough for her to stop speaking to me. I hope she comes around though, then maybe we can clear the air and move on with our lives, hopefully as friends again.

 

Well thank you for at least being honest with me here and at least talking to me about it. That's more than my friend did.

I certainly respect that we have extremely different worldviews and I am sure it stems from our experiences in life. Mine have always been rather different from most to say the least.

 

So she should have just let the ectopic pregnancy KILL HER....so as to earn your respect and affirmation?

 

1. No I don't see how I contradicted myself anywhere.

2. Correct it was not an elective one, but most elective ones are not at viability so I don't understand what the contradiction is. Abortions at viability are illegal.

3. Er - you just made the comparison a post back. I know some people are forgetful sometimes but wow, it's there in writing. LOL!

 

And apparently she is not alone. Given the true risk of death from an ectopic pregnancy....we see the "pro-lifers" who always claim they'd support abortion if it's to save the life of the woman....

attacking you for saving your own life. Again, weird, as if you HAD died from that ectopic pregnancy.....the fetus would have as well. But I guess it's not fetuses they REALLY care about....but the procedure and ....control.

 

Your question has been asked and answered.

Q. is abortion so important an issue to some people that it could ruin a friendship.

A. yes, to some people the issue is that important.

Putting aside the abortion question....
If someone does not like me, I've always assumed that is their problem not mine. You were looking for affirmation and didn't get it, and you're hurt. I would move on, leave the door open, tell your friend or send a text you wish to remain friends, and if she changes her mind you would like to hear from her. Beyond that, it's out of your control.

 

I do not think you understand the real meaning of independent.

And ignorant.

What scientific criteria has to be present to be called a miracle?

No the proper word is parasitic, or acting like a parasite. Do you dispute that?

Oh so if it is not a miracle and science than it has to be emotional rhetoric?

Is that relevant? Perhaps the friend is religious, but more likely not a true faithful. You see, and I will assume that the friend professes to be Christian, a true follower of Christ would embrace a friend, especially a friend at a time of crisis instead of abandoning because a difference in views. What would have happened if Christ would have turned His back on sinners instead of welcoming them and showing them God's love?

That is just your paranoia and the need to accuse or blame someone when you are unable to reconcile your dogma with reality.

The reality is that this is one more fabrication. Most people do not think so and the opposition to making it illegal is not the same.

It is nothing more or less than anyone wants to have and enjoy. Did any gay couple come to your church to get married? Why do you really care what gay people do? Any of them asked your hand in marriage?

Another fabrication. Only the closed minded zealots are creepy and bad because they wish to force their ignorance on the entire society.

If she had any real faith it would not be possible to talk her out of it.

Of course you would because she conforms to your parameters of intolerance, but there is nothing worthy of real respect there because she has not real point of view.

 

You're intolerant to the religous.

Hello pot, meet kettle.

Scientific criteria...ooooh big word. You're from the school of "If it can't be counted it doesn't count"

An emotional decison led to this predicament...she slept with her ex...gave an admission "big mistake."

Yet you're accusing the religious of beng overtly emotional and not logical?

An illogical decision leads one to seek out an abortion...people who don't want kids, have sex which leads to having kids...so it's bit of a hypocrisy to think the pro-choice crowd is more logical.

What is logical about a mother killing her unborn?

hmmmm?

It's insane from a biological standpoint...wherein survival of the species takes precedence over all.

Isn't abstaining from sex a more logical choice, a more scientifically sound decision to avoid an unwanted pregnancy than enduring a surgical procedure?

yes it's the religous who are the crazy ones..sure thing.

 

Its interesting how many MEN have such strong pro abortion stances when the very act of abortion is based on a deep seated hatred for men. Its women's way of saying, "(*)(*)(*)(*) you, you might have made me pregnant, but you can't make me give birth."

Of course its only liberal men who are foaming at the mouth over a woman's right to destroy his child, so it's probably a good thing in the end. The fewer children raised by libs, the better for society.

 

You are not tolerant of other people's opinions as well.

 

Not at all. some of my best and closest friends are very religious. I am intolerant of zealots and control freaks who would like to dictate to society their beliefs and way of life.

Really is that the best you could do?

No, just something that can be counted on.

No, I am from the school of you do not count if you wish to force your views on others.

It is non of my business who she slept with and if she deems it a mistake so be it. After all she is the best judge of her circumstances.

Can you prove the contrary?

That is not a matter of logic but one of choice the basis of which is non of your business? What is wrong with terminating her pregnancy?

Last I looked with all the aboprtions going on the population of the world was still increasing. Try something that has some relevance.

Not any more than abstaining from any other natural function of the human body. Here is a clue, sex IS natural.

Yes that would be a better scenario but it needs not be the only one.

No just the zealots who wish to control others.

 

Pro choicers are just zealot feminists.

 

Opinions are to be debated here not tolerated. Opinions that are rationally argued of supported with factual information are accepted, those that are not are not.

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On the other hand it is hard to tolerate the likes of you who never have a rational argument and can only make use of name calling and labeling.

 

How is that any different from what you do?