Activist Adam Kokesh's home raided by paramilitary team/ thread 2

Or he can do as the founders did, and advocate a revolution. That was a right of the people, until Washington and Lincoln tag teamed to destroy it.

 

No one wants your terrorist Che Guevara revolution. If "people" other than Marxists and libertarian Marxists wanted a revolution, then it'd have happened long ago.

 

Again, where did he make this "credible threat of terrorism?" Hint: I'm asking you to show me where, not keep saying he did.

I have great love and respect for my country, however, that love and respect does not extend to our government.

 

Interesting you bring up Congress, Z - Kokesh could learn a lot from Ron Paul and his son. There are more effective ways to oppose and promote policies without getting your fool ass thrown in jail for 2-15 years on drug and firearms charges.

If you're going to "fight the man", fight smart - one day you might even become a senator or a congressman. Fight stupid and one day you might end up serving 15 years in prison, instead.

 

Should one whole year from this July 4th pass while the crimes of this government are allowed to continue, we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible.

 

1) It's peaceful.
2) It's not terrorism.
3) I don't like Che.
4) Lots of people want a revolution, actually.

Four false assumptions in one sentence. New record. Well done, Crick.

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Yes, he's referring here to self-defense. I don't know about you, but when armed soldiers march on my house or down my street, that's an act of aggression. You may be willing to sit back and let them do as they wilt, but I am not. They are a danger to me and my family.

 

Him and his groupies indirectly threatened violence unless "the federal govt dissolve and allow the states to secede". No one other than some on the fringe of the left or right wants the states to secede - who's this jackboot to force his "freedom" on others at gunpoint?

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You're insane, period. What'reya gonna do kid? Run out and shoot a solider or a cop because "you're afraid" that they're coming in black helicopters to take you away to FEMA camps?

So much for the "non-aggression clause" - lmao

 

I'd like to know how long you've been down there myself. I never advocated what you claim I advocated.

 

You're advocating it here. You're siding with the likes of Cricket and Casper and conhog, who think he deserves to be in prison.

If you DON'T agree with that, by all means, I'll retract my statement. I'm just going off what I've seen.

 

He's not. People can make their own choices. He's made his.

Two things:

1) I haven't promoted violence, ever.
2) The non-aggression principle applies to initiating aggression. By agreeing to it, one vows not to initiate aggression. In this case, the aggression has been initiated, I'm just defending myself against the aggressor.

And by the way, no, I don't think I'm going to be picked up in black helicopters and taken to FEMA camps. I'm concerned about our paramilitary police forces that ride down our streets in (*)(*)(*)(*)ing tanks.

Or are you going to say those are figments of the imagination?

 

Guys who video tape themselves breaking the law deserve to be in prison, yeah. Stupidity has its consequences, sorry that's how the real world works.

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You people are waaaaayyyyy scarier than the military.

Depends. Where do you live, Baghdad?

 

You call it stupidity, I call it standing for your principles. Whatever, dood. Do your own thang.

Who said anything about the military? I like the military, lots of libertarians in it. I have good friends and family serving. It's the police I'm concerned about.

No, the United Police States of Amerika.

 

If your principles suck, there's nothing admirable about standing for them. Being consistently stupid is still stupid. And I don't believe he has any principles other than a desire for media attention.

Play less video games, read more books

If you don't like America, move somewhere else. Simple solution. Sell all your possessions, go move to Africa, and live in the jungle - there's no police to worry about there.

Police don't drive "tanks" anyway.

Bottom line is, this rhetoric is just a bunch of paranoia and 'trendy politics' masquerading as a serious belief. I tend to fear extremely paranoid people a lot more than "cops", because paranoid people tend to do irrational things in the name of their paranoia. You probably haven't even thought any of this though, or "what motive" police would have to show up at your door in tanks - it's like you're just imagining you live inside a video game or James Bond movie.

And if you think there are serious problems within the police force, then you should start with some serious activism to help change the problems. Marching to DC with a gun screaming about "revolution" is not a "serious" or effective way of changing anything. It's just a way for posers to feel like they're more relevant than they actually are.

 

The point of civil disobedience is to go to jail. You are the martyr which rouses people to think about what's really going on, and in the end people will hopefully look to changing the laws. That is what he's attempting to do, but obviously people just want to cling to the law and the state and really don't give (*)(*)(*)(*)s.

That's your prerogative.

 

No, I didn't advocate it here. I've been critical of Kokesh's stupid and futile tactics and gestures. I'm a gun owner myself and I don't give a damn if people want to shroom in the privacy of their own homes.

 

Yes, the fact that both of you are against him certainly affirms where I want to stand. You realize that I don't believe that a free and beautiful person like youself--and I actually do think that about you--should be strapped with laws, right?

I think you, Lefty, are capable of making good choices for your life, and I don't want to see the government--either neocon or progressive--spy on you, prevent you from smoking pot, tell you what to do with your womb, who to love, who to marry, where to send your kids for education.

I want you to be free. That's all.

Why don't you want that for me?

 

Actually, he's calling for a non-violent revolution of minds and bodies. Saying it will be impossible to have one if the government grows to large is not advocating for violence, it is saying a truth. There is a point where nonviolence no longer works and you are a slave.

 

Could it be that neither side really values freedom that much at all? Or that they only want certain people to have freedom?

 

He's not a 'martyr' anymore than this clown:

No we really don't. Being a martyr and an attention whore are not the same. I don't believe he really cares about freedom or anything of the sort, which is why he picks stupid 'causes' like "dancing" which no one with a life has time to give a crap about - he's doing it for the camera because he wants to feel important. That's why he lied and forged fake testimonies from "vets" when he was with his anti-Iraq war group. He's got no credibility at all.

 

I hang out with marxists, with communists (hi [MENTION=51585]kilgram[/MENTION]), with neocons and conservatives (hey Calypso), with progressives (hey Shay), with __________.

It doesn't mean that I am a member of those organizations. Adam stood and protested with Code Pink. Okay...and? Does that also make him female?

I have friends who are racists, friends who are sexists, homophobes, etc. I feel like I can be a good example for them. ((shrugs))

 

Those problems aren't really existent in practice to 99% of people. The fact that Kokesh had to try go get himself arrested shows just how little of a 'police state' America really is. What looks like a police state to Marxists and libertarians really isn't that bad a place to live for most people.

The closest to a legitimate 'whisltebower' we've had is Snowden - the PRISM program is a little frightening - but attention seekers like this guy, Brady Manning, etc are just that - attention seekers.

America isn't anywhere in the realm of a police state in this day and age, sure there's abuses, but you guys are just fearmongering. Just because there are Muslim terrorists, doesn't mean we have to round up and deport all Muslims just to be safe. And just because a guy made a believable terroristic threat and brought a gun on illegal grounds, and got arrested - doesn't mean we're "living in a police state" either.

 

The fact that you cannot see these are two entirely different things shows me how deeply you think about a subject before commenting on it.

Again, if you don't see that the point is the onerous amount of legislation--like the great irony of actually creating a law to forbid dancing at the Jefferson memorial of all places--then really you will never understand the point of what he is doing.

Maybe when you grow up... ((shrugs))

 

I'm more concerned about the sanity of anyone who'd feel the need to protest that than I am that law. if that's your idea of a "police state" then that proves my point. And if the majority of Americans left or right felt that way then this dude wouldn't have to be threatening armed revolution, because libertarians would have received more than just 1% of the vote and people would voluntarily elect them.

 

Half the country has smoked pot or smokes pot and the majority of Americans want to legalize it. The end. I'm tired of your opinion masquerading as fact.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1821697,00.html
http://www.people-press.org/2013/04/04/majority-now-supports-legalizing-marijuana/

 

Why would a 'libertarian' join an openly communist organization? And even if he's 'not a communist', then he must have something in common with them right - such as his hatred for American?