Please check my math on this one...

Any town or city that has a very large percentage of highly trained well armed civilians is a town or city that have a very low Crime Rate...a very low number of Gun related accidents or deaths....a very low firearm related Child Deaths or Accidents...and a citizenship that is NOT AFRAID TO WALK IN THEIR TOWN OR CITY.

Gun related Crimes are almost completely relegated to cities and towns where there is a very low percentage of citizens owning firearms as well such places that tend to have a population that is specifically ANTI-GUN...are cities and towns that HAVE THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF ACCIDENTAL CHILD SHOOTINGS AND DEATHS DUE TO FIREARMS!

The reason for this is a LACK OF FIREARM EDUCATION!

When a child is taught Firearm Safety such as is the way the Police in my town have a 3 day course for Adults, Parents and Children where the Police teach everything there is to know about a variety of Firearms to all as children are shown how to handle a Handgun as it is fully loaded whether it is or is not...and how a kid is taught to know if a weapon is loaded or not...how to hold it...how to shoot it....how to make certain the safety is on....and especially.....HOW TO TREAT EVERY GUN AS IF IT WAS LOADED AT ALL TIMES!

Because of this we have NEVER had a Firearm related DEATH in my town....EVER!

In places where people talk about how ENLIGHTENED THEY ARE...and how GUNS are something they would never teach a child how to handle nor would they even TALK ABOUT A GUN....THESE are the places and people you read about in the paper as it details how some 6 year old kid picked up a Handgun they found in a closet and shot themselves with....or how a couple of 12 year old's thinking the .22 Rifles they found in the attack were BB Guns because they have never seen a .22 before and accidentally shoot a neighbor as they shot at a paper target in their back yard and the .22 round went through it and killed their back yard side neighbor.

AboveAlpha

 

[MENTION=62877]AboveAlpha[/MENTION] bravo.....you only fear what you don't know.............

 

I agree

 

I have met many wealthy people who usually live in large cities such a owning a 2 million dollar place by Central Park or living in a sky rise in downtown Chicago and having a conversation when I tell them I am a Hunter...I get the look of Horror upon their faces and then the look of scorn as they perceive me to be some Neanderthal who would eat Bambi and a Cowboy who might be shooting up the town! LOL!

Such people who have kids have told me when visiting me at an Ocean Front Home I own...after I offer to put them up at my home...they ask....are there any GUNS in this house because we KNOW you like GUNS and we don't want our children to be effected nor do we want them to know anything about guns!

This is quite possibly THE STUPIDEST AND MOST DANGEROUS THING A PARENT COULD DO TO THEIR KIDS!

Outside of putting ground up GLASS in their Captain Crunch! LOL!

A kid that understands due to training what exactly are the dangers of a Loaded Weapon and has been educated in how to deal and handle a weapon will become a Healthy OLD kid!

AboveAlpha

 

I agree

 

Young children often search out those things which are forbidden to them. Some times terrible things happen when they find those things to which a certain amount of curiosity is attached. Guns are here to stay. There is no doubt about that. To deny proper education about safety and responsibility, there are always be horrific incidences as a result.
To teach your children to live in fear and terror, IMHO only, is damned irresponsible.
You can always express your concerns about safety vs. need, but don't leave them totally defenseless by subjecting them to fear and terror.

 

So are you in favor of Firearm Education for young children or not?

AboveAlpha

 

Your analogy of "driving" a car and "shooting" a gun are not totally accurate - a firearm may be "used" simply by carrying one. Hunting or personal defense are excellent examples. Actual firearm range time versus automobile driving time is not quite the same thing.

 

Some people fear guns too much.

Some people like guns too much.

 

So let's buy them all a cookie!

AboveAlpha

 

LOL... I believe my last thought would be "how the hell did I manage to drive a pilgrim into a murderous rage?".

 

You didn't buy him a Cookie!

AboveAlpha

 

It's already been discussed that pointing a weapon at someone to deter them from committing a crime should also be considered "use", but carrying one...? I don't think so. That's why there is a difference between carrying a phone and using a phone, or criminal charges relating to 'possession' of drugs and 'use' of drugs.

 

That's why I've been talking about firearms training and not supporting a ban.
Funny how people get so used to instantly disagreeing that they don't even realize what you're saying first...

 

that would be a MOST DEFINITELY!!!!!
I have always maintained that education is the key. But not instilling abject terror. Children would then learn the difference between a game and real life.

 

Hmm. Curious comparison.

With anything like this, careful consideration must be dedicated to how this is done, as there are a whole bunch of apples on one side and oranges on the other; And both these fruits will be grown, harvested, sold and consumed by various methods.

I haven’t looked at the numbers or how they were acquired.

Safer to own?
Safer to operate?
How will car-passenger casualties be counted?
Is there some equivalent to passenger casualties with guns?

I suppose a comparison of unintended injury for each device could result in a safety metric.

It may be easy to identify unintended injury for car operation.

One would expect the opposite for gun operation.

After all these considerations, what is the meaning of such a comparison?

I’m only asking...

 

I got it perfectly, did you? I didn't see anything about mandatory training did you? I see intelligent conversation about teaching your kids or signing up for a voluntary training. Funny how some want to extend this conversation to having some sort of mandated training before a gun is purchased, you didn't realize did you?

 

That's an interesting perspective. I saw a post that clearly shared the view that people who don't know anything about guns are more likely to do something stupid with them.
No need to get all "up in arms" over it.

 

Despite only reading parts of the OP you're responding to, you seem to be reaching a similar point that I alluded to in the first sentance. Comparing the two is inherently flawed.
In order to drive this point home, I illustrated that it would be fair to reach the opposite conclusion as that similarly reached by comparing these tools.

BTW, vehicle crash fatalities sited included non drivers (eg: passengers, pedestrians, etc). As to how these folks compare to firearm incidents, I'd say that - for the purposes of this - any fatality that isn't the shooter in a firearm incident is probably "equivalent" to any fatality that isn't a driver in a vehicle incident.

 

Now that last part was funny....I don't care who you are
As to your first part.....really?? Cause I coulda swore you were referring to the firearms training you want which is mandatory to purchase a gun. Guess I'm funny like that

 

Thanks, I try. I figure that just because we disagree on a few fundamental concepts, there's no reason to completely lose a sense of humor.

The post I referred to clearly shared the view that people who don't know anything about guns are more likely to do something stupid with them. We agree on that.

I believe it is fairly reasonable to strive for fewer stupid things done (with or without guns). As such, given that people who don't know anything about guns are more likely to do something stupid with them, it makes sense to ensure people who have guns know something about them...

 

I was JOKING!

I know you support this.

AboveAlpha

 

I know, my friend, I know......................

 

I'll give you credit, you do have a sense of humor.

You were doing soooo good right up to that last sentence, Anyone seen an angry pilgrim around ???

 

hell, I ain't seen nary a turkey since last year.....................but I have met some savages.................