Raising the minimum wage is the only way to end the "Great Recession".

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  1. iAWESOME

    iAWESOME New Member

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    We need a Federally mandated 11 dollar min wage. The only sector of the economy that has grown, and will grow in the United States are the services. Mcdonalds, Starbucks, etc. These are were the jobs have come from, so when Obama tells you about all of the Jobs he has created, remind him its Mcdonalds and Burger King. Unfortunately, I believe as far as manufacturing goes the US has reached its maximum potential. Only developing countries are going to have a strong industry, manufacturing etc sector. Therefore, people need to stop complaining about China taking the jobs. Its over, and therefore, the min wage can not stay at 7 dollars and 25 cents. Imagine if Henry ford paid his workers min wage. Our country would have never gotten off of the ground. With so many people barely making ends, the economy can not and will not grow. People need more money to spend, to stimulate other sectors of the economy. There would be massive layoffs, but thats even better. Other sectors of the economy will be stimulated, so there will be other better jobs for people to get.
     
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    Henry Ford paid his workers enough to buy his product as do McDonald's, as they always will regardless of the minimum wage... :omg:
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Raising the minimum wage would likely have the exact opposite effect...

    Where do you think that money would come from? The consumer would end up feeling the brunt of it, which would only lead them to consume less, which would then eliminate many of the jobs that have been gained in the low wage market...
     
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    They never consider that side of the equation. They're only focused on the $$'s they see in their mind. To them, raising the price of something does not decrease demand for it. Some fat cat somewhere will pay the bill.
     
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    Where the hell does this idea come from that spending money is what makes you rich?

    I mean if you want to make an argument for temporary stimulus thats one thing, but as a long term strategy the idea that raising wages would somehow improve the economy is just insane.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would definitely appear that way. As a consumer I'd be asking, what do I get for this increase in price? If the answer is still crappy service and the exact same product, I'll take my custom elsewhere...
     
  7. iAWESOME

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    I love the ignorance of far right wingers like yourself. If Walmart paid all 1.4 million of its employees a living wage (roughly 11 dollars per hour) you would pay about 12 dollars more per year. If you're that cheap that 1 dollar extra per month is just to much for you to muster maybe you hate your country and should move elsewhere.

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    You move. I thought the plan was to move to Africa because of Zimmerman, anyway?

    Your scenario doesn't just apply to Walmart. What about small businesses who can't afford to pay their employees $11 an hour? What about the people who won't get a job because their labor is not worth $11? What about the people who get layed off now because of this? The hell with them, right? They can just go on welfare.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What was that?
     
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    I see you missed the main idea introduced in the OP. Small businesses are going away, and there are millions of unskilled laborers that can't find a job right now. The economy is becoming more and more centralized because we are becoming more and more of a post modern society. The few jobs that linger around must pay their employees enough to live on, otherwise you WILL have a welfare state.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You hit the nail on the head about one thing, the unskilled laborers. As our society moves forward there is less and less room for them, yet its up to them to move upwards, not upon everyone else to sustain them in an unsustainable position...
     
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    Very true, which is why I'm in favor of cutting defense by upwards of 80% so anybody that works to obtain higher education can do just that. However, when you're talking about millions of people, and in this economy, letting them starve isn't the answer.
     
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    Our economy is based on consumer spending.

    Raising the minimum wage would increase consumer spending therefore boosting the economy.

    It's the decline in wages in the past 35 years that got us to the financial depression we now find ourselves in. The housing bubble caused a drop. But with all the money being sucked up by the rich there is no mechanism for improvement.
     
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    Its crazy how people think paying employees as little as possible is a good idea.
     
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    The problem is deeper than that. The potential for higher education already exist for just about anyone that chooses to attain it. One need only look at the dismal performance of our high schools to see where the real problems are. It doesn't matter how much you open up the possibility if people can't reach the minimum standards...
     
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    It isn't necessarily a choice, labor just happens to be the most controllable cost for businesses...
     
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    Control..exploitation..tomato tomato..
     
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    Funny how that works. They could cut ; executive pay,
    The fees paid to accountants,
    profits.

    But they prefer cutting wages.

    Kind of shows how labor is held in contempt.
     
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    Actually the way to end the recession is for government to get out of the way and let business do their thing. I live in a small town and the local branch here is doing what they can to prevent businesses from coming in and setting up. That's costing more jobs then anything.
     
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    100,000 high paying jobs is better than a Million low paying jobs. I assume your government is trying to prevent the Walmarts of the world from overtaking the local businesses. You seem to be in fine hands.
     
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    Why should a small business owner pay $11.00/hr. to an American, when he can hire two illegal aliens for $5.00/hr. off the books? All it will do is make it harder for Americans getting employment and raising prices of food, goods and services. As it is, companies both large and small are looking to only part time employees. The day of the 40 hr. week is a thing of the past, thanks to Obama-care.
     
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    Food for thought, when it comes to labor, there are usually a whole lot more of them. That adds up...
     
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    Question is, how do we get the top 5% to pay a living wage to the people who make their wealth possible?
     
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    Many years ago I used to rent DVDs at a store called "Dollar Video." The price of a rental was $1, thus the name. The minimum wage went up, and the store posted signs that due to the minimum wage hike the price was going up for all rentals... :roll:
     
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    No they're trying to keep out the restaurants from coming in. We already have a Wal-Mart and a distribution center.
     

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