Unionized labor is a failure. What does it mean for Obamacare?

by Derrick Hollenbeck, staff writer,
September 3rd, 2013

First came the news that 40,000 Longshoremen have quit the AFL-CIO because they have finally figured out that Richard “Fifth Amendment” Trumpka and his gang has been screwing them. The final wakeup call came with Trumpka’s support of both Obamacare and amnesty disguised as “immigration reform.” The dockworkers have come to recognize this two headed monster will destroy them and they opted to vote for a break from union control with their feet. While the official reasons for the mass pull out sound like these men are leaving because the AFL-CIO isn’t liberal enough, don’t believe it for a minute. The “leaders” of this pull out have only run up to get in the front of the parade out the door. The men aren’t fools; they can sense what is coming.

The dues hit the Trumpka gang takes should be very substantial. What will the AFL-CIO do? Why, raise the dues on the remaining suckers of course.

As if this wasn’t bad enough word has come from San Francisco that America’s only unionized strip joint which heretofore was offering “Live Nudes and Movies” and “Private Booths” has gone out of business. It took the clutching hands of the “workers’ friends” at the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) just 16 years to kill a business selling smut in the sewer of America!


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It's happening again. Most people in the union are there because they are not given the option. Now they we lied to by their own leadership and find they themselves are being screwed.

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Despite conflicts throughout the 30s and 40s, the two national organizations merged to form the powerful body known as the AFL-CIO in 1955. ... The split is ...

 

This thread makes no sense....you realize those workers are still in a union?

 

Another bunch of BS from the right wing propaganda machine.

Reading crap like this makes me wonder if some ALEC type organization is paying people to post this stuff.

 

Unions will survive in niches where there is no competition.

When competition comes along, they'll be blown away.

 

The unions, especially SEIU are looking to attract foreigners into their ranks now to make up for dwindling local supply. The only places they are really relevant is the public sector and localized industries where they have special protections. Anywhere they are exposed to the private market the business goes under. They deliver an inferior product and are costly. Aren't you glad they run education in this country?

 

Not niches. They survive where import tariffs allow it, and there are few players, or in the public actor because they buy politicians and can hold the nation ransom, and localized Industries (plumbers, electricians), where local laws favor them over free employers.

 

That may be so, but they've divorced themselves from the AFL-CIO.

 

Unions should never have happened. But they did, because of the abuses by the robber barons running company towns, chaining children to machines, having terrible safety conditions and if you got hurt that's just tough. The robber barons of course became obscenely rich. For decades they forbid unions and simply murdered union organizers - and the fully-owned police did nothing. Unions were an absolute necessity.

But the pendulum swung the other way, with unions demanding so many benefits and such high wages that the employer couldn't be competitive.

There were large companies, like Eastman Kodak, that the unions could not penetrate. Kodak made no effort to stop union organizers, but the workers were not interested. Why? Because Kodak did what GM finally did with the UAW: They opened their books, and let the workers (and with GM, the UAW) SEE all the numbers. And the Kodak workers understood that they were getting as good a deal as the best a union could do for them, without the dues. The UAW took a long hard look at the books, went back to the rank and file and basically said "you have two choices. You can take a BIG cut in pay and benefits, or you can find another line of work."

The unions killed Detroit. Failure to innovate killed Kodak - their business was making film, not CCDs.

The point is unions do not have to be bad, or even necessary. What makes them both, is an antagonistic and greedy short-sighted management. That kind of management makes the workers understandably suspicious - especially when they pay themselves 600 times what the average worker makes.

 

One in 600 workers couldn't do their job. But if they spread it out that is an hour of pay.

Your history is off too. Why did the UAW strike in Flint? They were getting paid good money. Above average for low to little skill work. What union and what "robber baron"? Those robber barons as you call them did great things for this country. Things we would need tons of taxes for today. Flagler probably did more for infrastructure then Obama and didn't take it from tax payers. Getty too.

 

That may be so, but that still makes the OP's insinuation that 40,000 people quit unions over Obamacare a lie.

He can't be totally blamed. His source is an unreliable right wing blog, which quotes the normally unreliable Moonie Times and NoiseMax, both of which have lied in their reporting.

The Longshoremen did not withdraw from the AFL CIO over Obamacare. They withdrew because the AFLCIO did not succeed in keeping their Cadillac health care plan completely tax free. Of course, NoiseMax, BrightFart, and Fox Noise aren't going to tell you the truth when they can spin it with a few well placed lies.

The Longshoremen did not withdraw from the AFLCIO because they don't want immigration reform either. In fact, they want shorter amnesties for undocumented workers, the precise opposite of what the OP claims.,

We're used to the right wing propoganda machine lying to its gullible and faithful audience.

It's just that now they're so blatant about it that it should be embarrassing to any intelligent person.

 

So, they quit because of an obamacare tax on their health insurance but it is a lie to say obamacare was a reason. Interesting. Here in the washington times too:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/3/obamacare-casualty-longshoremen-cut-ties-afl-cio-c/

Canada free press:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/57637

The longshoremen themselves:

 

Thanks for making my point.

BTW, the "Canada Free Press" is a right wing blog trying to pass itself off as a legitmate international news source. I suppose they fooled you. I hope you're not foolish enough to believe that World Net Daily is a real source of world news! I already referenced the Moonie Times.

As you inadvertantly note, the meme is spreading throughout the right wing noise machine. It will be on Lush Limpballs this afternoon.

The OP tried to insinuate that the Longshoremen were opposed to Obamacare, which is a lie.

 

Who wouldve guessed the cronyism party (GOP is too), the authoritarian anti white party, the mass third world open borders welfare party might be bad for the workers? At least the right create the environment in which companies can flourish allowing workers to have jobs in which they can negotiate.

But lets see, what party would be best for these guys.... anti obamacare and anti amnesty ..... hmmm

ahhh of course

The Tea Party.

 

Oh is it? I don't keep up with Canada to be honest.

So what about the letter though? They named two things, obamacare and immigration. What is your problem? They are opposed to obamacare, they don't like the tax. You even knew this in your previous post.

In any event, unions are horrible. The longshoremen union think they own the coast and can extract a toll for everything that moves through and so far they are right in blue states. Buying politicians really worked out for them. Corruption, plain and simple. They bleed the country for their living. Despicable people really.

 

With the weakening of unions (mainly due to outsourcing), corporations are already getting pushier and greedier with respect to their workers. The spectacle of clawing back or eliminating pension plans is a clear example of such behavior. The pendulum is definitely swinging against Labor at this point, and it will take dire changes in living standards and work conditions for many people for it to start it swinging back. Since corporations always think short-term and try to maximize profits, this is probably inevitable in the long term.

 

Within a decade a member of any union.......including thank God 'public sector' unions will be as scarce as a unicorn.
If the GOP take the White house next time it will mean the end of all 'public sector' unions. This will be the best thing to ever happen to the (cough) education system. Most teachers can't even tie their own shoe laces. Without protection by the unions most teachers would be serving fries.

 

Then please explain the following:

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That sounds like the post of a disgruntled McDonalds owner.

 

When ever Unions split into smaller groups, they lose a lot of power. That's a good thing. The elimination of Dues Checkoff would be an important step in cutting them down to size.

 

No it's coming from Longshoremen with Cadillac Healthcare programs that were lied to and will be taxed at 40% for their program. I guess their franchise means a lot to them too.

 

Yes,I did. Both of your points are false.

 

I don't know if you think you're going to convince anyone that we should believe what we read in partisan blogs by citing other unreliable partisan blogs, but have at it.

 

An interesting graph I saw. I know correlation isn't causation but the similarities are striking.

 

Nah!!!, it's just lil ole me. I don't get paid to post unlike many of you who do. If it's BS as you say, why don't you come back with some facts. It's all about their cadillac Healthcare benefits that will be taxed at 40% and the lying promises by Trumka to get Obama elected.

 

Healthcare and Obama were a very small part of the opening screed.

It was, largely, an anti-union propaganda piece.

I'd be happy to argue an issue. Just let's not use faulty facts.