Tell the Truth about Judaism

http://revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/a-jew-rejects-talmuds-duplicity/

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230984

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/wire1.html

The Talmud, is considered by religious and Orthodox Jews to be more important than the Bible.

The Talmud teaches Jews that they are more important than Gentiles, that Jews can lie to Gentiles, steal from Gentiles, even murder Gentiles.

The Talmud teaches Jews that if they want to commit a crime, they should go to a place where nobody knows them, and do it there.

The Talmud insults and defames Jesus Christ many times.

The Talmud allows all sorts of horrible things.

 

Judaism is a religious belief system; there is no gene called 'jew'.

That means there is no such thing as being born 'jew'. The religion is a belief, not a birth right!

... that is telling the truth.

 

So you call for truth and post:
A website that denies the Shoah
One that lies about the Talmud
One from a man who thinks we are under the control of Lizard people.

I have to ask, do you understand what truth is?

This is a lie

Prove this, (this should be fun)

No if it says you have a desire that violates Torah you should do this.

Actually no it doesn't

Like>?

 

there are genes that Jews to have at a higher percentage than other ethnic groups.

its called the J1E, J2AM, RM17.

these genes show a high percentage in Jews. They are the so-called "Jewish genes".

they prove common ancestry amound certain Jews.

 

Sanhedrin 59a

To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

Libbre David 37

A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.

Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b

When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.

Mas. Shabbath 31b

On the house of the Goy [Goy means unclean, and is the disparaging term for a non-Jew] one looks as on the fold of cattle.

Tosefta, Tractate Erubin VIII

When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156

If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.

Choschen Hamm 388, 15

Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: "Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh; they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath." At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: "The Lord alone will appear great on that day!...

Zohar, Vayshlah 177b

That the Jewish nation is the only nation selected by God, while all the remaining ones are contemptible and hateful.

That all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general.

A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat, 348

R. Hanina said: If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death; for it is written, And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian. [Ex. 2:12] R. Hanina also said: He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence; for it is written, one who smiteth man [i.e. an Israelite] attacketh the Holy One.

Sanhedrin 58b
[In other words, if a non-Jew kills a Jew, the non-Jew can be killed. Punching an Israelite is akin to assaulting God. (But killing a non-Jew is NOT like assaulting God.]

If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

Tosefta, Aboda Zara, VIII, 5

Has it not been taught: "With respect to robbery -- if one stole or robbed or [seized] a beautiful woman, or [committed] similar offences, if [these were perpetrated] by one Cuthean ["Cuthean" or "Samaritan" = goy/gentile/heathen/non-Jew] against another, [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an Israelite by a Cuthean, but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained?" But if robbery is a capital offence, should not the Tanna have taught: He incurs a penalty? -- Because the second clause wishes to state, "but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained," therefore the former clause reads, "[theft of an Israelite by a Cuthean] must not be kept." But where a penalty is incurred, it is explicitly stated, for the commencing clause teaches: "For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty?"

Sanhedrin 57a
[Translation: A Jew may rob a Goy, but a Goy may not rob a Jew. If a Goy murders another Goy or a Jew, he should be killed, but a Jew will not be incur the death penalty for killing a non-Jew.]

Kill the Goyim by any means possible.

Choshen Ha'mishpat 425:50

Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.

Yalkut 245c

Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice.

Zohar, Shemoth

Tob shebbe goyyim harog - Even the best of the Goyim (Gentiles) should be killed.

Soferim 15, Rule 10
[NB: Hoffman says, "This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, 'Gentile,' (p. 617)." Another source says this passage is at Avodah Zara 26b. We have not been able to verify any of these references. It does not seem to be at Avodah Zara 26b of the Soncino edition.]

What is [the meaning of] Mount Sinai? The mountain whereon there descended hostility [sin'ah ] toward idolaters [non-Jews].

Shabbath 89a

The same has been taught as follows: If the ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite [non-Jew] there is no liability, but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite... the payment is to be in full, as it is said: He stood and measured the earth, he beheld and drove asunder the nations [Gentiles], and again, He shined forth from Mount Paran...implying that from Paran he exposed their money to Israel.

Baba Kama 38a
[Trans: The property of the Israelite is more valuable than that of the Gentile. Mount Paran refers to Deut. 33:2, where God offered the law to the nations (Gentiles), who rejected it. The money of the Gentiles is available to the Israelites.]

Mas. Yevamoth 61b
[Again non-Jews are referred to as "cattle."]

All Israelites will have a part in the future world... The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell.

Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha

Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.

Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L

Everything a Jew needs for his church ritual no goy is permitted to manufacture, but only a Jew, because this must be manufactured by human beings and the Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings.

Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39

A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.

Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348

A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.

Gad. Shas. 2:2

A boy-goy after nine years and one day old, and a girl after three years and one day old, are considered filthy.

Sanhedrin 54b

Raba said. It means this: When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this [three years old], it is as if one puts the finger into the eye; but when a small boy has intercourse with a grown-up woman he makes her as 'a girl who is injured by a piece of wood.'...


Menachoth 43b-44a
[A "prayer" or "benediction" to be said by a Jewish man every day: "Thank God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave."]

Do not save Goyim in danger of death.

Show no mercy to the Goyim.

Hilkkoth Akum X1

A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.

 

These are a bunch of false quotes or taken out of context. The evidence is classic, your cut and paste stripped the Sanhedrin 59a quote because you see the words here are ascribed to Libbre David. Which of course is non-existent in Jewish literature and certainly not part of the Talmud. So in the first quote you show you gleaned it from a hate site. Should I destroy each and every quote or do you want to apologize for promoting hate.

BTW:

Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin

Folio 59a


R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance;2 it is our inheritance, not theirs.3 Then why is this not included in the Noachian laws? — On the reading morasha [an inheritance] he steals it; on the reading me'orasah [betrothed], he is guilty as one who violates a betrothed maiden, who is stoned.4 An objection is raised: R. Meir used to say. Whence do we know that even a heathen who studies the Torah is as a High Priest? From the verse, [Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments:] which, if man do, he shall live in them.5 Priests, Levites, and Israelites are not mentioned, but men: hence thou mayest learn that even a heathen who studies6 the Torah is as a High Priest! — That refers to their own seven laws.7
'R Hanania b. Gamaliel said: [They were also commanded] not to partake of the blood drawn from a living animal.'
Our Rabbis taught: But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat,8 this prohibits flesh cut from the living animal. R. Hanina b. Gamaliel said: It also prohibits blood drawn from a living animal. What is his reason? — He reads the verse thus: flesh with the life thereof [shall ye not eat]: blood with the life thereof shall ye not eat. But the Rabbis maintain that this reading teaches that flesh cut from live reptiles is permitted.9 Similarly it is said, Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life,' and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.10 But the Rabbis maintain that the verse teaches that the blood of arteries, with which life goes out, [is also forbidden as blood].11
Why was it first enjoined upon the sons of Noah, and then repeated at Sinai? — As the dictum, of R. Jose b. Hanina. For R. Jose b. Hanina said: Every precept which was given to the sons of Noah and repeated at Sinai was meant for both [heathens and Israelites]; that which was given to the sons of Noah but not repeated at Sinai was meant for the Israelites, but not for the heathens. Now, the only law thus commanded to the children of Noah and not repeated at Sinai was the prohibition of the sinew that shrank [nervous ischiadicus], and in accordance with R. Judah's view.12
The Master said: 'Every precept which was given to the sons of Noah and repeated at Sinai was meant for both [Noachides and Israelites]'. On the contrary, since it was repeated at Sinai, should we not assume it to be meant for Israel only?13 — Since idolatry was repeated as Sinai, and we find that the Noachides were punished for practising it,14 we must conclude that it was meant for both.
'That which was given to the sons of Noah but not repeated at Sinai was meant for the Israelites, but not for the heathens.' On the contrary, since it was not repeated at Sinai, should we not assume that it was meant for the Noachides and not for Israel?15 — There is nothing permitted to an Israelite yet forbidden to a heathen. Is there not? But what of a beautiful woman?16 — There it is because the heathens were not authorised to conquer.17 But what of a thing worth less than a Perutah?18 — There it is because the heathens do not forgive.19
'Every precept which was given to the sons of Noah and repeated at Sinai was meant for both [Noachides and Israelites]'.

 

i have posted MANY quotes from the Talmud.

let's see all of them, even half of them, proven to be false.

 

So I proved the first two completely false and your answer is prove them all false. You didn't understand that you posted something originally from Stormfront and you didn't even realize most is not Talmud. Why should I have to educator you more since you obviously have no intention of learning. But later I will take each one of these lies and show you why you should not glean your information from ignorance.

Then I expect you to apologize to me in very public manner.

 

Unfortunately this thread devolved to a level where one of the contributors made a deliberately anti-semitic taunt about "noses".

This thread unfortunately evidences a thread designed to inflamme and incite hatred against all Jews and I find that unfortunate.

The use of the false quotes is actually an old recycled false article that first surfaced on neo Nazi forums in the 1950's.

Not only are the quotes false but the persons who quote them go on to make false and inflammatory comments about the Talmud and Judaism.

To start with the Old Testament, and the first 6 books of the old Testament called Torah) were never intended to be the only source of
Judaism. The person who suggested the Talmud over-rides the Bible engaged in a falsehood predicated probably on an ignorance that flows from his own belief that since in Christianity quotes the New Testament as its primary source-Judaism by not quoting the Bible as its primary source is somehow evil since the false quotes then attributed to the Talmud are described as condoning evil.

In fact the Old Testament is considered a series of allegories-stories to illustrate moral concepts. The literal meaning is not considered the only meaning. When a Jew reads the Bible it is said to be akin to peeling the layers of an onion. There are considered at least 100 or more meanings to each sentence depending on how dig you deep. Some Rabbias argue trying to capture all the meanings of the Bible would be like peeling the layers of the onion. There are so many and the deeper you dig, the more tears come to your eyes.

The Talmud is a codified book of laws but each law is only the beginning of the discussion. The false quotes of the Talmud think there is only one literal meaning and this is how you know aside from the quotes not even being in the Talmud the meaning given them is false.

There is no one meaning to what is stated in the Talmud. each discussion is only a starting point in an on-going debate as to how to interpret the laws in the Talmud. Jewish law is never literal or static. It changes constantly-it is supposed to constantly change as each debate arises and new possible approaches are successfully argued. To a person who does not understand the Talmud or Judaism they use their own
false precept that Judaism is a static religion that tells simple rules to its followers. Of course it does not.

At the pith and substance of Judaism, is that each individual at an individual level must decide how to live their life. If they do positive things and expect nothing in return-their actions will help heal the world and maintain their connection to the thing some call God. The act of positive donation to others, the pure unconditioned act of sharing is considered the continued creation of the life force that commenced from the thing called God which is said to have originated the process of sharing.

The concept of God is defined as alpha and omega-everything that ever was, is, and could be-and because if that-also paradoxically being absolutely nothing at the same time-this alpha and omega is said to have originated a process to share itself-and the act of sharing its essence is said to have triggered a never ending act of continuous sharing and therefore creation of infinite possibilities and variations of the thing we like to call meaning or purpose. Destiny is not set, it can be altered in a moment's notice by our individual actions.

If we choose to engage in negative behaviour we wound this God and its infinite process of sharing.

Life as we know it is seen as an exercise akin to breathing. We need to both inhale and exhale. In the same sense we need to have the negative and positive components clash with one another to create a new understanding that comes about from the dialetical process of the opposites interacting.

Adam and Eve on one level appears to be a story about a man an a woman. However on another level Adam and Eve are coded words to explain the positive and negative components in physics or the movement of chaos to organization to chaos to organization again in fractal theory. It depends on how you read the meaning.

The Jewish scientist Spinoza's theory of God is in fact a scientific explanation of some of the kabal, i.e., the theory of the speed of light. By proving light moves infinitely he on a scientific basis has explained the abstract notion of the creative flow of energy from the God concept.

Fools who quote the Talmud do not understand it is just about day to day laws to help guide Jews to be civil not just to Jews but non Jews. The actual real quotes are the source for all of the teachings or gospels said to have eminated from Jesus because that is what he taught.

The do unto others as you would have them do unto you Golden Rule comes from the Talmud which borrowed it from other traditions.

The Kabal another key source of Judaism is a mix of physics and abstract scientific concepts no different than the Eastern traditions found in Hinduism and later Buddism and Taoism. The beliefs all can get traced back to the same originators. The flow of energy the learned Hindu gurus who are said to have invented medicine talked of is no different than what the Kabbala talks of. The tree of life is another shared theme.

All Judaism says is try be responsible for each and every action. Try be as good a person as you can be and that means try give without expecting anything in return. It is often misquoted as something else by anti-semites.

May I suggest to readers that the moment you see someone claiming to quote the Talmud and give it a meaning you actually go to the real Talmud. You will find not only are the quotes absolutely fabricated but if you do read scholars who understand them, the meaning is something far different. It is also important to understand that Christian theologians who understand the Talmud study it because it is compatible with Christianity. In fact it is the same set of beliefs. The only theological difference between Judaism and Christianity is over the concept of the messiah.

Gnostic Christians like many of us Jews believe the word "messiah" refers to each one of us having the ability to save the world through positive behaviour. Each one of us is the son or daughter of God sent to continue the infinite process of sharing.

A movement of Judaism then went on to define the messiah as an angel like figure that would come to earth to save people but that is not all Jews. Original Christians called gnostic Christians did not refer to Jesus as THE messiah but a messiah and it would make sense to believe as a Jewish teacher (they were not called Rabbias yet as we do today, Rabbia simply means learned one-it became a clergy type person much later) he would have taught we are all messiahs and would never have taught of himself in any way that could be construed as anything but self-effacing and modest. It makes perfect sense he would have rebelled against a religious hierarchy of Jewish priests as true Judaism was intended to be practiced by the individual in his day to day, minute by minute deeds.

The notion of Jesus becoming THE Messiah came about when King Constantine merged the myth of Mythias and other pagan beliefs with gnostic christianity to prevent a civil war between the two when he was leader of Rome.

Original Christianity used the symbol of the fish (Pisces) not a cross and there was no trilogy. The trilogy comes from the Mythias story or numerous other faith beliefs that appropriated the concept of God sending a son of God to the world to prevent humans from killing each other.

The use of the trilogy turned the abstract notion that the potential of goodness in all of us to save the world into an easier to understand
concept of a superhero sent to save us.

In so doing he could create a political organization the centralized church to keep control on the thoughts of his followers by creating the confessional process and the need to report to the church and confess or go to hell.

Original Christianity like Judaism was not that different from eastern diciplines and teachings that can be found in Hinduism, Buddism, Taoism,
etc. Christianity and Judaism after all borrowed from Zoroastreanism which flowed from the same origins as these other life/faith disciplines.

Nothing in Judaism other than the disagreement as to who the Messiah is or was, is different. So to suggest the Talmud promotes pedophila, lying, cheating, incest, etc., as the false quoters do is simply a pretext to spread anti-semitism.

Interestingly these neo Nazi threads which keep getting recycled were probably products of the Goebbels propoganda machine of WW2 which recycled them from old myths continuing to circulate in Europe. Theywere updated by Goebbels, then brought to the Middle East where former Nazis recycled them through Syrian, Iraqi and Egyptian Ministries of Communication. They would then be up-dated even further by the Soviets during the cold war.

The people who still quote them today have no idea that their outstanded neo Nazi source false talmud quotes are a joke. They feel if they repeat them enough times, like any lie they take on a new life.

 

many of the quotes from the Talmud are legit.

 

no they aren't you are lying

 

Sanhedrin 58b is a legit Talmud quote.

Sanhedrin 59a is a legit Talmud quote.

Sanhedrin 57a is a legit Talmud quote.

Sanhedrin 54b is a legit Talmud quote.

 

Nope this is what it says

Sanhedrin 58b

here it is find your quote:
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_58.html#PARTb

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I already showed you this is a lie....you didn't even read when I schooled you......

 

I posted answers and they are gone..........

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SHOW ME THAT QUOTE HERE.....
Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin

Folio 57a

for it is written, The earth also was corrupt before God;1 and a Tanna of the School of R. Ishmael taught: Wherever corruption is mentioned, it must refer to immorality and idolatry.2 'Immorality.' as it is written, for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.3 'Idolatry,' for it is written, Lest ye corrupt yourselves and make you a graven image, etc.4 And the other teacher [who deduces this from the verse, and the Lord God commanded etc.]?5 He maintains that this verse [sc. the earth also etc.] merely describes their way of living.6 'Bloodshed', as it is written, Whoso sheddeth man's blood, etc.7 And the other?8 — This verse [he will maintain] merely teaches the manner of execution.9 Robbery, for it is written, As the wild herbs have I given you all things;10 upon which R. Levi commented: as the wild herbs, but not as the cultivated herbs.11 And the other?12 — He will hold that this verse is written to permit animal flesh,13 [but not to prohibit robbery]. Flesh cut from the living animal, as it is written, But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.14 And the other?15 — He may hold that this verse teaches that flesh cut from live reptiles is permitted.16 Emasculation, for it is written, Bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.17 And the other?18 — He may regard this merely as a blessing.19 Forbidden mixture, as it is said, Of fowls after their kind.20 And the other?21 — He will maintain that this was merely for the sake of mating.22
R. Joseph said, The scholars23 stated: A heathen is executed for the violation of three precepts — Mnemonic G Sh R—24 viz., adultery, bloodshed, and blasphemy. R. Shesheth objected: Now bloodshed is rightly included, since it is written, Whoso sheddeth the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed;25 but whence do we know the others? If they are derived from bloodshed,26 the other four should also be included; whilst if their inclusion is taught by the extending phrase any man,27 should not idolatry too be included?28 But R. Shesheth said thus: The scholars stated, A heathen is executed for the violation of four precepts [including idolatry]. But is a heathen executed for idolatry? Surely it has been taught: With respect to idolatry, such acts for which a Jewish court decrees sentence of death [on Jewish delinquents] are forbidden to the heathen. This implies that they are merely forbidden, but their


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violation is not punished by death! — R. Nahman b. Isaac answered: Their prohibition is their death sentence.29
R. Huna, Rab Judah, and all the disciples of Rab maintained: A heathen is executed for the violation of the seven Noachian laws; the Divine Law having revealed this of one [murder], it applies to all. Now is a heathen executed for robbery? Has it not been taught: 'With respect to robbery — if one stole or robbed30 or [seized] a beautiful woman,31 or [committed] similar offences,32 if [these were perpetrated] by one Cuthean33 against another, [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an Israelite by a Cuthean, but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained'?34 But if robbery is a capital offence, should not the Tanna have taught: He incurs a penalty? — Because the second clause wishes to state, 'but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained,' therefore the former clause reads, '[theft of an Israelite by a Cuthean] must not be kept.'35 But where a penalty is incurred, it is explicitly stated, for the commencing clause teaches: 'For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty'?36 — How else could that clause have been taught? Could he state, 'forbidden' … 'permitted'? Surely it


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has been taught; A Cuthean and a [Jewish] shepherd of small cattle [sheep, goats, etc.]37 need neither be rescued [from a pit] nor may they be thrown [therein]!38 'And similar acts.' To what can this apply in the case of robbery? — R. Aha b. Jacob answered: To a worker in a vineyard [who eats of the grapes]. When so? If his is the finishing work, it is permitted?39 If it is not the finishing work, is it not actual robbery?40 — But R. Papa said: This applies to [the theft of] an article worth less than a perutah.41 But if so, why say that such robbery of a Jew by a Cuthean must not be kept: does he not forgive him?42 — Though he later forgives him, he is grieved when it occurs [therefore it is prohibited] — But how can you say that such robbery by one Cuthean from another is but a 'similar act' [i.e., bordering on robbery]: since a Cuthean does not forgive,43 is it not actual theft? — But R. Aha, the son of R. Ika answered; It applies to the withholding of a labourer's wage.44 One Cuthean from another, or a Cuthean from an Israelite is forbidden, but an Israelite from a Cuthean is permitted.45 To what can 'a similar act' apply in the case of a beautiful woman? — When R. Dimi came,46 he said in the name of R. Eleazar in the name of R. Hanina: To a heathen who allotted a bondwoman to his slave [for concubinage] and then took her for himself, for this he is executed.47
'A similar act', however, is not taught with reference to murder.48 Abaye said: If it should be, however, that it is so taught, it would be in accordance with R. Jonathan b. Saul. For it has been taught; If one was pursuing his neighbour to slay him, and the latter could have saved himself by maiming a limb [of the pursuer, e.g., his foot], and did not thus save himself [but killed him instead],

 

this is what you wrote and this shows your deep ignorance of Talmud. First Raba says nothing about girls in 54b, what it does talk about is the fact that if a man has sex with a boy it is not held against the boy, he is not considered to be responsible.

But I get your ignorance is such that you can't even post a a quote from the right place. I pitied your inability to even be a good bigot, you see there is something about this in the Talmud it is just not here.

Horrible stupid bigots often quote: Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."


Of course this is taken out of the context of the discussion which is what the Talmud is, a discussion. The discussion is about the virginity of the girl who was raped. The Talmud here is talking about the marriage of the two. You see having sex was a way of making a couple legally married. This quote is about the status of the girl. She is not legally married to her predator. Which is a good thing in the ancient world. But purposeful bigots distort this and of course ignorant fools repeat it.

Now type your apology in red.

 

notice how when shown to be completely false the person who posted nonsense from ignorance by quoting a hate site runs away. Watch this space this idiocy will pop up again somewhere else because anti-Jewish nonsense purveyors are like truthers and birthers. Reality doesn't matter to them.

 

Right; so essentially what you're telling us is that the 'word of god' (which, remember, is the truth and immutable, because god said so), can be interpreted in whichever way suits your current narrative. Perhaps you'll show us the relevant passage in the Bible which permits this. Claiming "allegory" is a convenient tactic when either the frankly absurd or uncomfortable parts are mentioned. Try again, because the word of god, as you well know, is not open for semantic squabbling or debate. It is what it is; accept his words as written for the truth or be labelled a hypocrite. Your choice.
If you want to discuss peeling onions, join a cookery forum.

And, by the way, I eschew all religions, whatever their origins might be.

 

Sanhedrin 58b:

"R. Hisda said: A heathen slave [owned by a Jew] may marry his daughter and his mother, for he has lost the status of a heathen, but has not yet attained that of a Jew"

"But Raba said thus: A heathen who violates his neighbour's wife unnaturally is free from punishment"

"R. Hanina said: If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death,21 for it is written, And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian.22 R. Hanina also said: He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence; for it is written, one who smiteth23 man [i.e. an Israelite] attacketh24 the Holy One.25"

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_58.html#PARTb

Sanhedrin 59a:

"R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance;2 it is our inheritance, not theirs"

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_59.html

Sanhedrin 57a:

"Now is a heathen executed for robbery? Has it not been taught: 'With respect to robbery — if one stole or robbed30 or [seized] a beautiful woman,31 or [committed] similar offences,32 if [these were perpetrated] by one Cuthean33 against another, [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an Israelite by a Cuthean, but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained"

"'For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty"

"But how can you say that such robbery by one Cuthean from another is but a 'similar act' [i.e., bordering on robbery]: since a Cuthean does not forgive,43 is it not actual theft? — But R. Aha, the son of R. Ika answered; It applies to the withholding of a labourer's wage.44 One Cuthean from another, or a Cuthean from an Israelite is forbidden, but an Israelite from a Cuthean is permitted"

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Sanhedrin 54b:

"Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three years is not treated as with a child above that.24 What is the basis of their dispute? — Rab maintains that only he who is able to engage in sexual intercourse, may, as the passive subject of pederasty throw guilt [upon the active offender]; whilst he who is unable to engage in sexual intercourse cannot be a passive subject of pederasty"

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So you admit the original things you posted were lies....good for you........are you a glutton for punishment to have me show you what you are wrong here? Does it hurt so much you have to beat yourself up.

 

yes meaning that this slave (a practice common in the ancient world and quite different from slavery in US in the 19th century) does not have to follow the laws of the Jews.

This quote is not what comes next....very dishonest and is not as you say it is:

So what you see here is an argument of how the laws of Judaism apply to non-Jews. Raba is later in the commentary proved to be wrong.

Can you tell me what you find objectionable about this?

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Sanhedrin 59a:

Again your ignorance of Talmud is showing....you should wear a slip:

Again a discussiong. One Talmudist is trying to keep the Torah to just for the Jews, while others say say a heathen (bad translation by the way) who studies is like the High Priest. Look at that the bigoted quote you posted was shot down.



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I would be interested in you trying to explain what this means....that is worth a laugh.
Hint....you missed a big part



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Sanhedrin 54b:

Again the whole quote reads:

The discussion is about the guilt of the victim.




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Is that the 'nose' gene?

Ahkenatan had that nose.

Ahkenatan created a monotheism.

Ahkenatan enabled the exodus (schism) within egypt,

Ahkenatan roamed 'the desert' and built a 'new city': amarna

Ahkenatan built the temple (see hebrew dimensions of the 'temple' (holy of holies..etc)

Ahkenatan used the initial semitic language called akkadian

Ahkenatan had the libraries for the writing the 1000's of years of lineage

the commands,

circumcision

kosher eating


I wonder if the genes (the who gene) of ahkenatan is within that same gene pool, especially noting that NOSE.

It is already pretty basic to see that judaism is egyptian based

which one is the gene, that makes them 'chosen ones' by 'god'

Is it possible that the stupid belief that a pharoah is born to rule, is what many still believe?

and i bet ahkenatan and his scribes are the purest lineage to any lives connected to the writings of the initial judaic teachings of EGYPT!

 

stop trolling, you anti-Semite!

 

disgusting how Jews will defend Talmudic laws and regulations that treat Gentiles as less valuable than Jews.

and no, attacking a Jew...is not like attacking God himself.

 

disgusting is how ignorant people distort the Talmud, pull quotes they don't understand and make accusations. That is exactly what the Nazis did to rile up Europe and your stormfront crowd the wrote your initial cut and paste.

How bad does it sting when I keep proving you wrong?

 

what is that 'gene' for?

You have a list of genes, that are supposedly 'the jew genes'. What are the genes for, technically?

The context of the claim is like saying that since all people are living on carbon, then all are 'evil'. And that can be substantiated by the fact that carbon 12 is of 666. (6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons); so now all are 'branded upon the head' just by knowing that.


When scientist of genetic works observe the genes of grasses and even flies, they can adjust them and cause flies to have arms grow out of their head and grasses to handle such things as drought and survive. My point is, what are the genes that you call 'jew genes'. Are they Levi's. I have 501's.

Are they the ones that make the men put curls in their hair and head bang on a wall?

Or to see it as I do, then could it be the 'nose'. Ahkenatan had one heck of a nose, per the statues and carvings. He had the monotheistc religion, commands, circumcision and even the first semitic language, that hebrew was born from.

My inquiry aint anti semitic as i am supporting the semitic language embodiment. It aint that i am bigotted, because i like what ahkenaten did with monotheism and he had the biggest nose, that any 'who' could wear, well jimmy D had a sore one!

The problem with you, is you are defining the term harassment by continuing to belittle me, when I am the one combining the knowledge and then hitting on direct inquiry that could fix the problem for the world.

I already know that there is no such thing as a 'jew gene' because the FACT is that judaism is a learned religious group, and anyone can be a 'jew' if consciously capable to think. There is no such thing as a 'jew' race, in any genetic application. Only nazis, bigots and idiots believe that 'jew' is a separate kind of human being.