Yet more lies + war mongering from the usual suspects..

I wonder how Israel would feel if another country routinely and for the past 20 yrs, went whining to the UN and US and made claims that Israel were eating babies in Palestine? And on that basis they wanted Israel sanctioned and attacked.

 

I think its high time we default. It'll nuke the economies of thousands of countries and cause the collapse of many governments. No nation will get the support of other nations unless they can "do something" of use in the Time of Unrest.

 

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Is this from a meme spam generator from Fox News ??

 

Mea culpa. I did actually say that and it wasnt' part of the article. As it happens, the relationship is vibrant - there's lots going on at all times. It is a productive relationship as trade, military technology, military practice and intelligence sharing demonstrate. Its simply the facts. You know the ones you ignore.

It seems your memory is as bad as your semantic understanding. I certainly didn't need anyone here to tell me what semites are. What is amusing however is that the jew haters can't quite get over the fact that the term anti-semite was coined specifically to describe jew hatred.

I provide you with a definition of the term parasite and yet, for some peculiar reason you once again attempt to redefine a word to fit your rhetoric. That's the semantic problem you have.

Since when does "thinking for myself" involve bastardizing the language? Yes, I provided the definition to little ol' you because it is quite apparent you don't have a clue. And, even when presented with the definition you insist on still not having one.

Overrepresented? Of course they are from a demographic sense - that isn't a secret.
Where we differ is in what that means and how it was achieved. You seem to feel that this overrepresentation proves that jews control the US. Do they also control the UK? what about canada? what about germany? what about Italy? or any of the other few dozen nations where the jewish population occupies a disproportionate number of senior positions? Get that out of the protocols jack?

For some reason you simply can't bring yourself to believe that the economic, academic, scientific, political, artistic and military success of the jews was not earned, but achieved thru a global jewish conspiracy.

That comprehension problem is showing again jack. I was directly referring to your post:

When one group sets itself up as being different, then they are up for being judged.

Why jack, using a red herring to accuse the opponent of using a red herring is another surprisingly good example of wit. Of course, both your own red herring and your reference are unappetizingly tasteless, but still...

Thank you. If you consider me wrong on everything, then I rest assured in the knowledge that I must be doing things right.

 

Won't hear me complaining, if UC Healthcare's going to be a reality(different thread though), I much prefer affordable prices and I'd like to keep a private option available. People shouldn't *have* to buy into the HC system if they don't want to. A Public Option is also much preferable.

Slavery, in all of its forms is ill-consent, if the government wants to make me a slave, IT had better pay for it at the least.

 

If you say so.

Any more pie charts?

 

No one in the 21st century, and certainly no one on the forums has called for the "death" of the Jews. I actually think genocide is one of the worst crimes a human being could possibly commit and that the "right" of government doesn't excuse this horrendous crime against humanity. Hence, we have the International Tribunals.

What we do levy as a charge, is that the Israeli state is very FAR from a democratic or legal institution, much is made of the rockets flying in from Gaza and that's certainly tragic. But how can one explain hundreds of deaths caused by the superior Israeli military, whereas perhaps at best a few deaths from Palestinian "terrorists"?

Is it not Israel that should show restraint and INTL. dialogue? As the former Israeli soldier said, it'd be funny if it weren't so sad(and disgraceful).

We Europeans made the sacrifice for the Jewish State, it didn't work out as we all hoped. A two-state solution remains ever elusive.

 

American N.

Over here we have this politics show. Usually pretty mainstream stuff.

This debate here was about Syria(in vid).

The women sitting on the right doing the talking is, believe it or not, a writer for the Daily Mail. She is a frequent guest on this show, and is given this respected platform.

Now, see how many lies, irrational behaviours, see how much aggression etc she shows.

Then tell me why you think she is that way?

[video=youtube;ak43aCg5Cjo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=ak43aCg5Cjo[/video]

 

Interesting.

You know how there are two threads running in world news, about some girl in Israel that was allegedly lightly hurt?

Yesterday, in one thread alone, I counted a total of 17 references to "Kill Jews", "wanting to kill Jews", and "dead Jews". Most of which were aimed at anyone they just did not like on here.

You would think that to keep saying that to a member should not be allowed, but as we can see it is.

Imagine for a moment if you and I began saying over and over again "you want to molest kids". All the time. Would that no strike you as being mental? Yes? Well. So does their CONSTANT self obsession with "dead Jews". Is it some sort of fetish?

Seriously???

 

I did not say "equally". Neither mutual benefit nor marriage in and of themselves denote equality.
I most definitely do not think of the relationship as equal partners. a nation of 8 million can't possibly be equal to the world's only remaining superpower.

Firstly, international relationships and alliances are between governments, not individual people.
Secondly, the benefits that accrue to the american people are overwhelmingly NOT per individual, but are benefits to the collective represented and typically enjoyed by their government, certain industries and academics.

It seems your memory is as bad as your semantic understanding. I certainly didn't need anyone here to tell me what semites are. What is amusing however is that the jew haters can't quite get over the fact that the term anti-semite was coined specifically to describe jew hatred.

I totally agree that jews do not have a hegemony over words. I am well aware that the term semite is not exclusive to jews. I am also well aware that the term anti-semite was specifically coined to mean jew hatred. That statement is also a fact.

Any number of dictionaries. You know those books full of words and their definitions in alphabetical order.

But that is not the case. Even you have pointed out repeatedly that many american jews do not support zionism, or the occupation. OTOH, there is also no doubt that american jews and israeli jews have aligned interests, just as americans and israelis have aligned interests.

Is there a jew hiding under bed as well? Maybe lurking around the neighbourhood looking for little goy children to kidnap and drain of their blood?

News flash. After ascertaining the disproportion of christians in positions of power, it has been concluded that tribalism, nepotism and dastardly methods to achieve high position, great wealth and global dominance are nothing to be proud of and certainly not good.

excellent. I do say so.

 

We do have a poster here saying the wrong Jews were killed by the Nazis, does that qualify?

 

Okay, let me illiterate: At no point did I(nor will I ever) call for the extermination of a "race"(I prefer to use the term 'social group'. We're not animals, we're not divided into "races"). or of a people.

I condemn that post, and I'll condemn all posts like it. For after all, how can one believe in the sanctity of life and then believe another person's life is disposable? Mind you, such human hypocrisy has always been part of our nature, but insofar as its within my control, it won't be a part of mine.

My only and the greatest problem I have, is that the Jewish People have forgotten what that plight was like. And they're committing the same crimes to a people who committed no crime against them, who let them into their homes and their state, before realizing that a silent coup was taking place.

To me, the Jewish can no longer invoke the Holocaust in '13, as they engage in their own version of racial ethnic cleansing and immoral destruction of people.

 

I hope you meant to say "elaborate" - but I do get your point.

 

Newsflash from Israel.

Iran could have KILLER JEANS INSIDE ONE WEEK.

 

I know I've said this before, that Organized Christianity has treated the Jew so horribly over the span of many, many centuries that I can't blame them for hating Christians.

Old news. Already happened over thirty years ago.

 

Lol, I was going for reiterate(My bad with the misspelling) but "elaborate" works good too. Yeah. I guess I shouldn't brag too much about the wonders of our language if I make mistakes once and a while.

 

What a really sad, sad, and misguided outlook.

But I cannot really be bothered getting into it, it is pointless.

 

That's precisely how I feel the "relationship" is. I can't even call it beneficial from a geopolitical perspective. Our main priorities should obviously be the Western Territories and the Pacific Ocean. How, exactly can we protect our base if we're busy shielding Israel from its own antagonistic enemies? Again, Japan is our second oldest alliance(1854). Then there's France who helped us win our independence and from the mid-20th century to today, Americans and Britons understand that we're both of the same language, virtually the same nationality and that even if we're separate from ocean our blood is inseparable.

Geopolitically, I'm much more inclined to see to it that we have their backs through thick and thin. These four nations: America, Britain, France and Japan are the Guardians of the West. If any of us were to fall, it would leave a gap in the development of the developing countries who seek peace from those who would cause instability.

And today, Antagonistic Israel poses the greatest threat to world peace. For she has humiliated and degraded the Western Powers at every turn.

 

Jews have a traumatic past that is true. Was watching Simon Schama's 'The Story of the Jews' recently and found myself in tears throughout a great deal of it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0392pzx . The Holocaust itself is the first thing I can remember being told when I was very young and that 'we' had always hated the Jews. This was from a child minder not my parents. When I asked her in astonishment why we would have always hated 'the jews' she clammed up presumably realising this was not the talk in my home. It completely made me aware that adults were seriously damaged if they could act in this way and that resulted in my being an unconditional supporter of Israel for my first thirty years or so. Even now watching something like the above program brings back another dimension. As the Elvis song illustrates antisemitism went on for a long time in the US - I have read up to the '67 war.

However the more I find out about Israel in her present guise the less I respect her. She does not allow human rights for all within her territories and unfortunately acts in a racist way herself.

http://jfjfp.com/?p=49833

People, myself included complain about European Jews colonially taking over another's land and there is no question that the people who gained power in Israel chose to try and create a European Jewish State rather than an integration as part of the ME way - a big mistake but following what they knew so that apart from extermination camps Israel acts very like nazi germany in trying to remove and giving unequal rights to those not of it's own 'ethnicity' She has been working all the time to create an 'ethnic nationalist' state and imo will never achieve peace till she can move on from this.

But then along come the classical antisemeties as we have seen in thread recently wanting to expel all Jews and Muslims from Europe. Still back in the same position. They kind of stop criticism of Israel. Thankfully organisations like Palestinian Solidarity Organisation are working to weed such people out.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?Itemid=74&task=view&option=com_content&jumival=10604&id=31

and yes Christianity has a long history of cruelty towards Jews. However in this instance I would say that since the holocaust traditional Christianity has felt the guilt of where that led and this has led to it not criticising Israel where the should and standing up for the Palestine Christians - a move which recently has been changed by the Church of Scotland - with no antisemitism.

So yes, there is much here. The genuine prolonged persecution of Jews by those with the same mindset who would now do the same with Muslims, the creation of Israel which archive records would appear to illustrate had a mindset similar to the 19th C European Nationalist and colonialist attitude - though there were Zionist Jews who wanted things to go a very different way but were unfortunately overwhelmed by those who gained presidency. There is a line where criticism of Israel steps over into classical antisemitism - that is when the age old claims come up about them ruling the world or sucking blood etc but probably most of all when we see the word 'Jews' written just as we see the same desire for persecution by those who speak of 'Muslims' or 'Islam' doing this or that, rather than being specific to a particular issue. Both are the same and in general Blumenthal is correct that in general the current antisemites, Muslim/Islam haters are usually neo nazi's....or sometimes those who have fallen wrongly under the spell of Gilad Atzon, whose thinking I am well informed comes from his extremist education in Israel. The antisemeitic and indeed anti islam hate seriously interfere with genuine issues in what is a very complicated situation..but hey! those who want to send the rest of European Jews to Israel can seriously immediately be struck off as giving a damn for the Palestinians.

 

Thank you for the deflection.
The US for a FACT has not and will not fight anything FOR ISRAEL... Israel my friend fight its own battles! Enough said I will not waste more time with someone that has not read history and blame a country defending itself against a sea of murdering Arabs.

 

What "sea of murdering Arabs"? Israel has had no real external threat for two generations now; Syria was quiescent and is now engaged in a civil war; Lebanon was and is hopelessly divided; Jordan is poor and militarily outmatched and a war with Israel would give too much power to Palestinean emigres; Egypt has a solid treaty with Israel and actually cooperates in keeping Gaza more or less under control. As for the Palestineans themselves they have no real military capability which is why they let their frustration lead them to comparatively petty acts of terrorism.

So what is the rationale for some of Israel's more dubious actions over the last three decades, HBendor?

 

Kosovo is part of Serbia has always been and I hope the man who soiled the oval office Mr Clinton has nightmares for the rest of his life remembering the loss of life there.

Sir your infantile theory will not stick because any thirteen year old will correct it.
Start squatting in any place in Europe, and I mean anyplace... anyplace in the USA, Canada, South America and come back and tell me that land is yours. I will not even consider retorting have a nice day and read history please.

 

The Palestinians have been "squatting" for thousands of years.

 

Without sounding repetitive <Israel defends itself and would damage any country that attempts to harm her>!

 

The obiquitous Skeptic-f is at it again... (Under these conditions in the surrounding Arab countries) Israel according to Skeptic-f should bend forward and let everyone kick it in the proverbial arse. hmmmmm
Wake up and smell the roses.