John Boehner signs surrender.....V-TP Day!!!!

Wait a minute. You were the one saying liberals were "peed-pants scared", and that all the posts slagging House Republicans for being a bunch of morons who had picked an unwinnable fight were a sure sign of panic among progressives.

How does that work? Because it sure looks like you were betting on both sides of the race so you could claim you were right no matter how things turned out.

If you always knew it would turn out this way... then why did you disagree with posters (like me) who said it was going to turn out this way?

 

The tea party is the illegitimate child of corporate greed and reactionary ignorance.
It is a party of ignorant, easily frightened sheep being herded around by corporate types who are using them for their own agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

 

The only extremists are the ones who thought that threatening to damage America's credit rating was a valid negotiating tactic.

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Gallup was *way* off during 2012.

 

I agree the democrats will do just that, cause their flock will eat it up like flies on (*)(*)(*)(*).

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It can be blamed on years of liberal policy and democratic leadership.

 

You're always free to argue against what you wish I'd written. Never stopped you before.

 

It's a constitutional enactment of legislation through appropriations. It happened famously when the Democrats reneged on the financial aid we promised South Vietnam in the 1970s. The House gave the President every thing they needed to run the country except ObamaCare. The House is no more complicit is economic hostage taking than the President and Senate Majority Leader.

 

I'm a conservative. I vote conservative and libertarian. I will remain a Republican only as long as I live in California. The Republican party won't let me vote in their primaries here unless I register with them.

 

I would say the dems caved because they did negotiate when they said they wouldn't. But it really doesn't matter at this point. What really matters is that the dems own Obamacare totally. If it is the failure everyone says it will be then the American people know who they can turn to when they want it REPEALED. If it does work then great. This is what is great about living in this country. While the Liberal progs want everyone to think they are running things, they really aren't. If Obamacare is the failure everyone says it will be then the dems have just setup the republicans and maybe even the Tea Party to be in charge for quite a while. Whoever is behind the republican strategy is a genius. Even the dems are clueless to it. LOL!

 

Surrender hardly, the Sequestration remains in place ready for round 2.

 

You mean. . .you don't know how to search the web?

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Not sure I like that idea. Seems in a few years we'd be looking back fondly at the days of 16 trillion, like we do now with 1.00 gasoline. We've routinely shown we cannot reign in our spending.

 

R.I.P. America

 

Dicking around with the debt ceiling won't change that. If we can't rein in our spending, we can't rein in our spending. But we shouldn't make it easy to wreck America's credit-rating in the meantime. There's no downside and tons of upside to removing the debt ceiling as a political target.

 

yep, no downside in spending more money that we don't really have....


Tell it like how it is, progressive/liberal....

 

Sorry, I don't agree. Spending without any concern , or limits is just foolishness.

 

You should've thought of that years ago when Bush was spending $4,000,000,000,000 on useless invasions and handing out tax breaks like they were party favors.

Btw, no Republican or Tea Partier has ever been able to tell me what the appropriate level of federal spending is for a population of 325,000,000. Let's face it, we don't even know if drunken sailors spend too much.

 

Really? So then the Tea Party Republicans had no choice, they were forced into this action. What else could they do but shut down the government?

 

You need to stop trying to sell that discredited BS.

What was the obstacle to raising the debt ceiling? The House GOP attaching unilateral partisan demands to its passage.

Neither Obama nor Democrats attached any partisan demands to the bill. They've been ready to pass it without any conditions whatsoever for weeks.

If Democrats were ready to pass the bill unconditionally weeks ago, why are we up against a default deadline? Because the House GOP kept insisting that it wouldn't pass the bill without its pet partisan demands attached.

Spin it as much as you like, the fact remains: the *only* party attaching partisan demands to the bill was the GOP. And the Tea Party conservatives driving the confrontation made it clear they would be willing to let the country go into default unless their demands were met.

That is hostage taking, and deeply unAmerican.

 

That seems to have happened before in the South.

 

So, even a "blog" article doesn't match the title of this thread? Hilarious! More left wing propaganda.

 

I'm sure you mean against republicans.

When did Obama ask [Democrats] to bring a gun to fight with Republicans?

Or, is this imaginary "northern aggression" again? After all, the only one who has mentioned guns is you.

 

The debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending. If you want to rein in spending, you need to have Congress rein in spending. The debt ceiling doesn't affect that debate at all.

I mean seriously: you seem to be advocating a system where Congress authorizes $2 trilllion in spending, but only appropriates $1.5 trillion to pay for it, and then some random 25% of the bills just don't get paid. That's nuts.

All you would be doing by letting the president unilaterally raise the debt ceiling is ensuring that America's credit-rating is never again put at unnecessary risk. There is *no* downside to that.

 

Sorry, your web searching skills failed to prove that "all the white supremists belong to (The Republican) Party". Try again?

 

Defunding a pointless war after 12 years and millions of lives lost/ruined vs. defunding Healthcare reform which aims to try and save the lives of the uninsured in the US. Too easy sir.

Obamacare isn't perfect but I haven't exactly heard anything except "we don't view our jobs in regards to the laws we pass, but the laws we repeal" out of the GOP.

 

The left's rhetoric and attempts at dismissing the POINT of conservatives, is getting not only annoying but starting to stink of desperation to avoid the discussion.

Your "side" has a spending problem that is equal to a crack addiction.

If it requires that we must shut down spending, like turning off the credit card, to get our point across to individuals clearly so dense, or too stupid to understand the implications... then so be it.

The problem with your accusation is the fact that clearly, nobody ever intends to intentionally damage the credit rating of the US, however; clearly some individuals on the left are unintentionally damaging it over and over and over.