Affirmative Action Quotas Not Working Out At FDNY

A probie class larded with court-ordered incompetents is flunking out.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/13/fdnys-court-mandated-class-flaming-out/

Does the thought ever flit through the judge’s empty head that these guys were rejected before for a reason? Like maybe: THEY CAN’T DO THE JOB!

 

Comparing 10% to 10.3% the class is ONLY .3 percent over the normal dropout rate. REALLY??? Is this news???
On another note please tell us how does affirmative action give us bad lawyers,doctors and nurses, when they have to pass state boards or bar exams???

It seems some people don't understand what affirmative action is. Affirmative Action is this: When two candidates compete for a position, whether it be employment, school or whatever, and those two candidates have equal qualifications, then affirmative action says the person chosen should be from an under-represented group. That is it!!! Now I suppose the other option would be to simply flip a coin -- 50-50. But Affirmative Action does not violate the 14th amendment, especially since in a few decades, Caucasians might be the ones utilizing affirmative action since they will be in the minority. GDAY!!!

 

Nice copy and paste job.

 

Why thank you. Why remix a cogent thought when someone has already written it for you???
Can you find find fault with it??? Or what about my assertions of the application of affirmative action regarding lawyers, doctors and nurses??? I await your response.........

 

So you admit to copy right infringement.... Thanks.

 

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/hiring/affirmativeact.htm

Its a bit more complicated than that.

 

Complete BS. Ignore.

 

Why do we accept the most qualified for the job in every area of pro sports but not pro firefighting, where lives are on the line? Why are we gambling with lives in pursuit of the false God of equality of results?

 

Wait, is this the situation that the FDNY was ordered to make the test easier because "non-whites" couldn't pass it?

 

You can, but you are supposed to use quotation marks and specify the true author. Otherwise it's you trying to pass off someone else's writing as you own, it's one of the most intellectually dishonest things you can do, and it's against forum rules. It's known as plagiarism.

 

"For federal contractors and subcontractors, affirmative action must be taken by covered employers to recruit and advance qualified minorities, women, persons with disabilities, and covered veterans. Affirmative actions include training programs, outreach efforts, and other positive steps. These procedures should be incorporated into the company’s written personnel policies. Employers with written affirmative action programs must implement them, keep them on file and update them annually." Taken from your link. This still doesn't nullify my assertion, gday

 

who cares if your house burns down, whats important is that we meet quotas on black and hispanic firefighters. And screw the written tests, knowledge is not power.

sarcasm off/

 

First I didn't care one way or the other if people believed it was my brainchild. Secondly, when confronted I didn't deny I copied&pasted it. As far as not attributing it to the original author, my bad it was some random person in a comment section. Also flame-baiting is against forum rules, correct??? As none of you have made an attempt to disprove my assertions civilly or otherwise that snarky remark can be considered as such. Thank you and gday!!!

 

I find fault with intellectual dishonesty.

Which is what we have when you take someone else's thoughts word for word and present them as your own.

As for your question about incompetent doctors and nurses under affirmative action that is the expected result after government smothers private healthcare out of existence and begins to do all the hiring.

 

Yeah....that's all it is...nothing but some feel good racism. Everyone likes that.

 

Seriously, you don't know?

Read this and you will know how affirmative-action qualified persons become lawyers, doctors and nurses even though they have to pass state boards and bar exams.

Answer: For protected affirmative action people, the passing score for exams is much lower than for caucasians.

 

"...is this the situation that the FDNY was ordered to make the test easier because "non-whites" couldn't pass it?"

Taxcutter says:
Yes, it is. That and incompetent whites, too.

 

You can't always have both diversity and equality. Sometimes you can force diversity by throwing equality out the window, and that's what affirmative action is.

 

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Maybe the problem you fail to see is the age group of the "court-mandated" hirings. They are older men, whereas the other recruits are young men. Second, they were selected years after applying- meaning that their focus was likely given over to some other job and Firefighting long gone from their minds.

You would likely see a different statistic if the FDNY decided to hire younger applicants of these minority groups. Ages more in line with the rest of the non-minority applicants.

Is this a fair assessment?

 

One of the weak spots of the court system is that it can work only with litigants with what lawyers call "standing." The judge ruled in favor of guys passed over before - not younger guys. These specific guys may have exactly the problems Post #19 describes. Similarly a TV show about crab boat fishermen showed a fortysomething Green Beret (one tough hombre) getting eaten up by the physical rigors of life on a crab boat, but 18 year olds adapt. Maybe an retired Coastie or a destroyerman from the USN could have done better. They are totally adapted to the motion of vessels in rough water and have no issues with seasickness.

But if the judge found for younger men would that not be age discrimination?

Maybe some of the guys jammed down the FDNY's throats are simply too old, but I suspect some of the washouts never could have done the job even at a younger age.

 

Puhleaze!!! Where is your proof??? This isn't a link its just underlined for emphasis, right??? That's just a right-wing talking point, let's get real dude. I work in healthcare so I'm not just talking out my ass, gday.

 

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No, genius that is not what I've done nor what I've admitted to. Do you copy right or trademark your responses in this forum??? Because I got it from a random commenter in another forum. It was appropriate and articulated my thoughts succinctly, gday.

 

You've obviously never worked in an HR dept or seen AA in action. It is NOT that simple. Not by a long shot. Lets just say, you get extra points for being a minority. Being equally qualified is rarely the case. If everyone was equally qualified, there wouldn't be an underrepresented, because they would have the jobs. Its an outdated concept and legal racism.

 

So it'd be okay for independent thinkers like youself to regurgitate happy fun dude in post #10??? Hypocrite, much???

 

Yes, it's not as simple as you rightwingers try and portray it. You're supposing every time a white person is rejected for a job that a black person is competing or applying at the same time. How about they make a rule where they fire a white person who has a lower "score" and allow the new white applicant to take his place??? This should fix it, no???