There's a word for people who think that anyone that doen't agree with their opinion (informed or not) is "disgracefully deficient". Since I haven't seen any credible demonstration of your expertise, I shall reserve judgement. Okay I've seen an demonstration now. Such a statement certainly does indicate one's credibility.
No, I merely used Chaney as a recent example that you might remember. I could name countless other presidents and political situations where horsetrading was employed. It is not a progressive tactic, it is a political tactic. It often lends itself to compromise - a word that the current incarnation of the republican party does not seem to understand. Thank you for pointing out how much consideration and evaluation of other's arguments are cornerstones of conservative debate. But go ahead and deflect the point of my post. With the abject failure of the tea party rump and boehners leadership in this manufactured crisis, the nation and indeed the world can see exactly how bad their horsetrading skills actually are. $24 billion down the toilet, lots of hardship and uncertainty, disruption of all kinds of projects for what exactly?? Oh yeah, nothing. Wait, I can hear the conservative mantra now - its Obama's fault.
Seems you have no clue what the OECD is. Do you always dismiss actual facts that don't jive with your perceptions?
Lol. Republican president in office, the left screams that any "data" from the gubmint is all lies and manufactured and skewed. Get a Dem pres and suddenly everything the government says and produces is "fact".
I didn't so I looked it up before I made the comment. Apparently it helps 3rd world countries lower their labor standards.
Seems you don't have much of a grasp about how the WORLD measures economic data by % of GDP. You might want to pause to consider your suggestions of alternative measurements and why they are not as meaningful as % of gdp comparisons. Surely you can grasp basic statistical analysis? Your lack of understanding of the function of the OECD is also rather informative. Dismissing this organization and it's published data is unwarranted as it is an important source of data collection and analysis. I mean really, why let facts get in the way.
nyuk nyuk nyuk. Apparently you have comprehension problems. http://www.oecd.org/about/ Our mission The mission of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) is to promote policies that will improve the economic and social well-being of people around the world. The OECD provides a forum in which governments can work together to share experiences and seek solutions to common problems. We work with governments to understand what drives economic, social and environmental change. We measure productivity and global flows of trade and investment. We analyse and compare data to predict future trends. We set international standards on a wide range of things, from agriculture and tax to the safety of chemicals. We look, too, at issues that directly affect the lives of ordinary people, like how much they pay in taxes and social security, and how much leisure time they can take. We compare how different countries’ school systems are readying their young people for modern life, and how different countries’ pension systems will look after their citizens in old age. Drawing on facts and real-life experience, we recommend policies designed to make the lives of ordinary people better. We work with business, through the Business and Industry Advisory Committee to the OECD, and with labour, through the Trade Union Advisory Committee. We have active contacts as well with other civil society organisations. The common thread of our work is a shared commitment to market economies backed by democratic institutions and focused on the wellbeing of all citizens. Along the way, we also set out to make life harder for the terrorists, tax dodgers, crooked businessmen and others whose actions undermine a fair and open society.
Prolly is...though something tells me that why I should care will remain forever a mystery. IOW, since the comment you consider demonstrative as to my constitutional expertise has very little to do with that expertise, you are clearly incompetent to render any judgment along those lines.
Always a useful thing to know what your opponent thinks of you - rightly or wrongly. Substantively different that caring for the opinion, wot? Actually it has a great deal to do with that expertise as you make a prognostication that appears to be as ridiculous as it is specious. Since its rather specific about what you believe is happening in constitutional law, I can readily render judgement along those lines.
You are stating that lying and bribery are acceptable in politics because it gets "compromise". You are saying the ends justifies the means, and if it takes deceit to get what you want, then thats just fine. People that believe that - and the people that accept that type of behaviour - are the problem and are why the nation is in such trouble.
Actually, when your command of the subject matter is as good as mine, you have no reason to give a damn. No it doesn't, but I can certainly appreciate the tactical value of pretending otherwise to those whose constitutional acumen is essentially nil. No doubt it appears that way to constitutional illiterates, irrespective of all the extra-constitutional issues that have more than enough bearing to render it useless for your stated purpose.
Are you that niave to not know that politics involves compromise and "horse trading"? What do you think "negotiations" are? the nation is in trouble, but not because of the way business has been done in washington for the past 230+ years, but because of small group of intransigently ignorant people led by a real nasty self serving piece of work, think a minority can "negotiate" by putting a gun to the head of the nation and dictate their outlandish terms.
Well I hope your command of the subject matter is better than your command of intell, strategy and tactics when in opposition. forgive me if I do not view general statements that hold no value other than uninformed denigration of another's perspective to be of any tactical value. No, no doubt it appears that way to bloviating self declared constitutional "experts". A classic display of dunning kruger effect in action. Whenever you get over yourself, and would like to actually discuss how and why the ACA was constitutionally enacted, I would be delighted to discuss your objections. I always welcome enlightenment regardless of the source, so if you have any actual knowledge that you can offer up specific to this subject then I would encourage you to display the depth and breadth of your expertise. If not I will simply render you to the discard pile in which one can find all kinds of pompous arses and "dogs". (from the internet cartoon).
Compromise and negotiation are not the same as lying and bribery ("horse trading", as you put it). The fact that current day politicians are dishonest and untrustworthy, and certain people think that is perfectly acceptable, is the problem. And to even hint that the nation is in trouble only because of a small group of people is stupid. Do you think that if the Tea Party types never did anything then the world would be a happy place, the debt and deficit and unemployment and the pay gap and health care would all be miraculously solved? Dream on. It took 100 years to get to the pit we are in today.
You dont' get it so we'll just agree to disagree. Actually the nation would be way ahead if the right did not agree to a strategy of obstructionism from day one. The deficit would still be shrinking rapidly, the tax base would have expanded along with decent gdp growth, unemployment would be below 6%, etc. etc. Of course all of the issues of the world would not be solved, but the government wouldnt' have shut down, the credit rating of the US would not have been downgraded, the US wouldn't be the laughing stock of the world, and those actions would not be accelerating a concerted global shift away from the american dollar standard.
All the republicrats who wrote the bill, loaded the bill with junk, voted for the bill or signed the bill are to blame. It's as simple as that. And when 95% of you voters will go vote for the DNCGOP again next election, they will be shown to have been representing your own interests like they always do. That's the will of the people. This must be what you want. Let the government feign their little petty divides to do their stupid little "shut down" and steal taxpayer cash right from out of your hands. Play the lame blame game all day but make sure to make it happen next time too. They claim they can't agree about their own law which is why they need to rob you...They are stealing from you in so many clever ways. The same guys that can print out hundreds of billions worth of fabricated free money, and collect hundreds of billions in taxpayer money, and give it all to their banker buddies, somehow can't afford to allow soldiers to visit the memorial of their fallen comrades for a few weeks because of their law they passed. Think about these things, guys.
Thats right! Only progressive leftist losers voted for this thing, I will and must add that the progressive leftist losers in the republican party surely want to vote for it, Like McCain and Graham. No real Americans voted for it. Not one.
No real Americans support a minority group knowing and intentionally damaging our country to extort political demands they cannot legitimately achieve. Not one.
When leftist losers were in the minority, that was not what their clueless asses would say. Get real.
First thay are not liberals, thet are progressive leftist losers, and real Americans are not terrorists.
The OP neglects to mention that Arlen Specter switched parties and gave them the filibuster proof majority of 60.
No real Americans support a minority group knowing and intentionally damaging our country to extort political demands they cannot legitimately achieve. Not one.
