All fair points and I apologize for thinking you were lying for the sake of lying. My experience has been with the purchase and sale of a few hundred weapons a year, every year for about two decades. So call it maybe 4,000 weapons bought and sold since I got my FFL. As someone who keeps at least a few hundred weapons and ammo stacks literally floor to ceiling; I consider myself very pro second amendment. And not just because I love shooting. More because I understand the whole reason for the Second Amendment and the meaning of the militia act of 1792. And all of this really is sidetracking us from the true issue in this thread; which is that people should have to prove who they are before they cast a vote. I don't want to think that an ex convict or an illegal alien is voting, nor do I want to think that some people are voting many times. Or that people are stealing the identity of dead people just to vote. So, if it makes voting less fraudulent to require you to show an ID and then check you off on the voter registration sheet, then I am all for that. And if someone can't get a stupid photo ID of some sort; then they are absolute ***** and shouldn't vote. I never go out without my license, and I never travel without my passport, USAF shot record, drivers license, and my military ID.
I don't care who has what habits. All I care about is that Americans are the ones voting, and voting a maximum of once. No felons, no illegals, no frauds. How that has to be policed for proper function is Uncle Sam's problem; not mine. If they tell me to get a voter ID card, I will go get a voter ID card. If they tell me to show my D/L at the door, I will show my ID at the door. None of this offends me or interferes with my rights. I come and go basically as I please, shoot when I want to shoot, eat when I want to eat, work when I want to work, and vote when I have someone I want to vote for.
So if you have to show your ID before pulling the lever, you are pro Hitler? You prefer to have Pedro sneak across the border and start voting illegally because he doesn't need to prove who he is before pulling the lever?
Agreed. We also need to nationalize elections and place the responsibility for running them in the hands of a Federal agency with a rotating board of governors appointed to staggering terms, not unlike the Federal Reserve, or, possibly lifetime, like the Supreme Court. Most other democracies remove the political parties and local officials from having control over the ballot.
Until we end the issue by issueing national identification documents. Until then, the various voter ID schemes that have been advanced by ALEC and championed entirely by Republicans in order to supress voter turnout will continue to be an issue. This latest attempt is both blatant and desperate.
I'm not saying don't require ID to vote, but I think that in some cases this is being taken to extremes and there are groups trotting out the boogie man of the fraudulent voter to scare people into more and more draconian procedures. So in short, definitely require an ID, Driver's license etc... but be realistic.
People who are over reacting with their requirements are doing so because so many on the left are stupidly claiming that requiring any ID to vote is discrimination when it clearly is not. Once again, we've let the fringe on both sides dictate the conversation instead of sticking to something reasonable.
Actually, the policing of voter ID laws is a state/local problem. The FEDS don't come in unless it deals with campaign finance fraud, generally, But you post is the problem of most RW conservative thinking. You give no thought beyond your own persona when dealign with a problem that affects more poeple than just you and your family. This is why the poll tax was deemed unconstitutional becasue it was administered unequally. Your post shows you don't care if it is administered unequally as long as you get your way. Pathetic.
I'm against people who claim they are bipartisan when they are anything but. How difficult is voter registration? My God, 10 minutes in the DMV and you're done, unless you can't read the sign that clearly tells you what documents you need. No, I'm not in favor of a system which removes checks and balances from determining who can and can't vote.
10 minutes in your rural area, probably, But here in the big city, wait times are about an hour on most days. It used to be here you had to to go the DMV to renew your D/L, Not anymore. You can now renew it online and takes a few minutes, if you qualify. .But you have to go to the DMV to change your address on your D/L, change your name, renew your D/L if you had one moving violation. These exceptions are in place because of the REAL ID act. But you are wonting poeple to take time out of their busy day, off work, probably wont' get paid, for something that they may or may not do in the future? I would say you have no sense of reality and your argument is extremely myopic. Voter registration cards are easy and the information is rarely verified by independent sources. It would be far easier to link the voter registration systems to several other databases to verify that information before the voter registration card is approved. It solves a lot of the problems and still gets the job done. It just cost some money to get it done.
I see no need to improve anything. What I do see is a bunch of lazy (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s who don't want to put any effort into ANYTHING. You can cry about the working poor all you want, the facts remain the ONLY people who can't to a DMV to register to vote are those who are too lazy to do so. I have been working since I was 12 years old, I have NO sympathy for those who won't give ANY effort. I had to go to the DMV today. It took me an hour, that's an hours wages I don't get since I'm self employed. But it had to be done. - - - Updated - - - Too bad. If a person wants to vote bad enough they will figure out a way to do it, just the same as if a person wants to eat badly enough they wil figure out a way to earn money to buy food. Why are people like you so insistent on figuring out ways to get people completely reliant on the govt? Do you want to go door to door casting ballots? I mean good grief.
. That does not impress me and the hyperbole you are using does not prove your point one iota. What you have is extremely myopic and does not fit what other people do in their lives even though they do provide an effort in one form or another. Most people who vote don't think of it until either the day of voting or being asked to register, with registration being the key to someone voting. You will more than likely be at a DMV or some booth operated by a political group which yyou are being asked to register, sign your name, and the card sent to the address that you give.. The problem with this is that in many cases, the people are just using a numbers game to get people registered, usually with an ulterior motive of joining a political party or agreeing to a special interest group. It is also why groups like Acorn and others have gotten flak because of the numbers because they are looking at numbers, not all the requirements for someone to vote. This isn't about relying on governemnt, it is about following the rules, something you have had trouble with from time tot time.
And yet...my grandmother, born at home, had no trouble getting photo ID. (It's expired, but she even managed to get a passport.) Anyone who cannot be bothered to get proper ID is someone who probably should not be voting.
In some places, they are REQUIRED to get ID from ALL customers, no exceptions. A couple towns require ID's to be scanned; if they don't scan, they cannot sell alcohol.
Still waiting for ONE of the Imaginary Disenfranchised Female Voters. C'mon, Fraudocrats!! Surely you can find ONE, out of the MILLIONS you keep lying about?
Does your mother have a current valid state ID? Do you live in a red or blue state. Requirements for state IDs have changed a great deal.
She must not be a Democratic voter. As they constantly remind us, they are far too incomptent/incapable/stupid to accomplish even something as simple as obtaining a photo ID.
Oh!! A taker?!! So, do you have a SINGLE EXAMPLE of the LEGAL, FEMALE, AMERICAB VOTER, with NO ID, who is INCAPABLE of OBTAINING ONE? Or arwe we still discussing "WHAT IS" as opposed to "WHAT IS" ?
