Settler violence: Think of it like burning down a Jewish business

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/3...16bcbee7ebf67d5f852577ba004c06f1?OpenDocument

 

There's something a little bit noble about a 'settler' going off to settle in the wilderness. Those Jews are 'squatters'. Nobody likes a freaking squatter. At least in America we don't like squatters.

 

Sorry,' brainwashed liars' don't make for credible sources.

 

"Israeli settler groups have in recent years made persistent efforts to take over land and property in Sheikh Jarrah in order to establish new settlements in the area."

Nasty settler groups will be SOL once a treaty is signed and they have to move out. As I said, nothing is stolen.

 

Brainwashed , ? Hehehe - yes you are so well brainwashed, and close minded that you cant accept any new information challenging/contrary to the views which yr minded controllers implanted

LOL - if you paid attention you might have noticed that Ilan Pappe was raised/brainwashed, from birth + early schooling , as a Zionist, until he + several other Israeli historians , gained access to Israel's own archived records which revealed historical facts . which was previously hidden .

The difference between him + the pro-Zionist camp , is that as he matured + gained more knowledge from historical records , ,, he formed his own conclusions. instead of parroting Zionist lies.

(wink)

 

Strange, war was declared in 1948 and no peace treaty was ever made.

So a peace treaty was made and ratified? Please tell us when this treaty was signed.

I disagree. None of the above has been violated as state policy.

And none of them has occurred as policy.

Under the Fourth GC they are not, as a policy, violating the convention.

As I agreed when I stated "beyond being given the basics of life " which would be in keeping with the Fourth Geneva Convention. Need I draw a stick figures for you to understand this position?

One they do not violate the laws and two, the Palestinians must make peace as they are the ones who still maintain the same position they did in 1948 when they started this war - the destruction of Israel. There was no magical point somewhere in the fifties, sixties or seventies where peace occurred, it is still the same conflict that began May 15 1948 when they declared war on Israel; with the unchanging intent to destroy her. There were no settlements then, no refugees, no water arguments, nothing but the destruction of Israel in mind and that has not changed since then hence, like in any other war, occupation of territory exists until peace occurs.

It was tit for tat sarcasm in response to your silly statement of "The Zionists already had plans to destroy Palestine and turn it into their own country, long before any wars." Aside from a statement here and there please show these battle plans and policies that were iin place to accomplish this. Be sure to use accredited historians rather than blogs please.

After they declared war on Israel in 1948 and still have the destruction of Israel as the centerpiece of their official policy.

Aside from the government not settling these people and the fact that they historically are forced to move when there is a treaty it is not up to Israel to sue for peace but rather the Palestinians as they are the ones with the war like policy of destroying Israel.

And at gun point they force them to move?

Sinai and Gaza, the IDF were called in to force settlers out of their homes to make way for Palestinians.

One, the Palestinians did themselves by hating the existence of Israel more than they wanted a good life and two, there is no humanitarian crisis as the birth rate and population growth is higher in the occupied territories than in Israel or for that matter most western nations.

That will be left up to the negotiations which cannot occur while there is the matter of the Palestinians position of destroying Israel.

Might be, all the more reason to simply drop the destruction of Israel from their official policy and make peace sooner rather than later.

So there has been a peace treaty signed????? When?? Where???? From what I know, the settlers stay until a peace treaty is signed and then they are evicted as they were in the Sinai and Gaza by the IDF.

Why is easy, Arabs believe time is on their side and if they wait long enough that Israel will fail due to higher birth rates. Settlers provide unofficial, on the ground in your face counter pressure to nulify this reality and ratchets up the need for Palestinians to negotiate.

 

I see. He was a Zionist and a Jew who you say are liars and wrong but now he agrees with you he is no longer a Jew and is not brainwashed. So how do you know he is not lying now as Jews lie all the time?

 

The United Nations Secuirty Council adopted a resolution on May 22, 1948 calling for “all governments and authorities, without prejudice to the rights, claims or positions of the parties concerned, to abstain from many hostile military action in Palestine, and to that end to issue a cease-fire order to their military and paramilitary forces." Another resolution by the Security Council was issued on May 29, this called on the parties to undertake that they will not introduce fighting personnel into the area during the ceasefire. Israel didn’t comply, but the Arab states did. When the fighting resumed more resolutions were issued on July 7, and 15. Again Israel breaks the ceasefires. To sum it up the Israelis broke the first truce in June 11 by launching operation Dalet, and then again breaking another truce on July 9 when Israel launched operations Dani and Dekel, and then again in October 14 they broke another truce by launching operation Hiram, and continuing with several attacks all the way to November 1949... This all occurred in 1948, but Israel didn’t want peace.

Now I find it more ignorant that you haven’t heard of the General Armistice Agreements that all parties had agreed upon. The agreements were all concluded in 1949. That is the agreement that ended hostilities between all the nations – thus ending the war. All declarations of war were no more.

I don’t care if you disagree. The entire world recognizes these violations. For example as explained in a document on the United Nations website:

The U.N. Security Council has confirmed the applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including Jerusalem, in 25 resolutions. Many of those resolutions call upon Israel, the occupying Power, to comply with the provisions of the Convention and to accept its de jure applicability. The General Assembly, along with other bodies of the U.N., has adopted scores of resolutions affirming the same position, as well as calling for an end to the occupation and repeatedly affirming the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the need for the realization of those rights.

Israel, however, refuses to accept the de jure applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including Jerusalem and has committed serious violations of every relative provision of the Convention. At the start of the occupation, Israel, the occupying Power, immediately began imposing countless repressive measures, such as administrative detention, deportation, home demolitions and other forms of collective punishment, against the Palestinian civilian population in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, inflicting enormous suffering and harm on them.

The occupying Power has also attempted to change the status of the occupied territory or parts of it and to change the demographic composition of the territory through the illegal confiscation of land and the transfer of Israeli civilians.
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/6B939C57EA9EF32785256F33006B9F8D

It’s sad to see that these “basics of life” aren’t even being fulfilled as proven by Israel’s constant violation of the convention. You’re wrong here and I’m sure you realize it…

Before the termination of the mandate and Israel’s declaration of statehood on May 14, there was already an immense amount of Zionist aggression. The Arabs intervened in the disorders in Palestine similarly to the way that Britain and France had declared war on Nazi Germany in 1939. Before any Arab intervention, there was already the cleansing of some 200 Palestinian villages and towns, and about 300,000 or so Palestinian refugees. Furthermore, the Zionist forces had not only committed a number of massacres, but had also already crossed over and encroached on lands that were designated for the Palestinian state, and prior to the partition resolution had already been carrying out acts of terror. As Glubb Pasha, the commanding officer of the Arab Legion in 1948 noted, “The Jews were already in the Arab area when the Arab Legion arrived.” To add on to this I’ll list a few examples. Prior to Arab intervention the Zionists attacked and even occupied some towns and villages, like Qazaza, Salameh, Saris, Qastal, Biyar Adas, Jaffa, Acre, and many others. Before the Arab states’ armies entered Palestine, the Secretary-General of the Arab League actually called the Secretary-General of the United Nations on May 14, informing him that the Arab states “were compelled to intervene for the sole purpose of restoring peace and security and of establishing law and order in Palestine…” also “to prevent the spread of disorder and lawlessness into the neighboring Arab lands.” Arab intervention which was debated in the Arab League would had been unnecessary if Britain the mandatory power, was able to maintain law and order in Palestine (but was unable to due to the Zionist attacks and sabotage against the British towards the end of the mandate period) and the United Nations able to ensure peace and security for the Arab inhabitants. It would be important to point out that the Arab states were virtually never in the area set for the Jewish state under the partition resolution, and the Zionists consistently defied and violated the ceasefires. If anything, the partition resolution was seriously obstructed by the fait accompli of Israeli expansion beyond its assigned borders.

Look at Zionist documents themselves. Major example: Plan Dalet.

As Jospeh Weitz who was a great friend of Ben-Gurion who led the Zionists from the 1920s to 1960s said: "it must be clear that there is no room in the country for both peoples... If the Arabs leave it, the country will become wide and spacious for us... The only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western land of Israel, without Arabs. There is no room here for the compromises... There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries, to transfer all of them, save perhaps for Bethlehem, Nazareth, and the ol Jerusalem. Not one village must be left, not one tribe. The transfer must be directed at Iraq, Syria, and even Transjordan. For this goal funds will be found... And only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brothers and the Jewish problem will cease to exist. There is no other solution."

Ben Gurion also confirms that they started their preparations for the war as early as 1945 or earlier. Although, the operations and topographic were studied and some completed at least a decade or two earlier. As Benny Morris said, certainly the majority of the country's political and military leaders were happy to see the Arabs go. and The refugee problem was caused by attacks by Jewish forces on Arab villages and towns and by the inhabitants' fear of such attacks, compounded by expulsions atrocities, and rumors of atrocities - and by the crucial Israeli Cabinet decision in June 1948 to bar a refugee return.

Many different historians such as Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, Nur Masalha and others claim and support that Israel coordinated acts of expulsion. There was also precise planning for attacking these villages which usually consisted of a defenseless population. They began making an archive of all the villages of Palestine and completed this by 1930. They figured all the cross roads, water springs, main sources of income etc. As Moshe Pasternak noted We had to study the basic structure of the Arab village. This means the structure and how best to attack it.

You keep saying they want to destroy Israel. But who’s really doing the destroying here? Look at the facts on the ground. The Palestinian population is suffering.

Again you continue to ignore the negotiations. Israel has refused to dismantle the settlements. In fact the consensus in Israel is that Israel under any final peace agreement will keep most of the settlements and annex the territories.

Gaza was a completely different case, there were only 8,000 settlers, that was easily reversible. Currently there are over 500,000 settlers in the West Bank living in hundreds of settlements. The situation is completely different. Please prove that it’s in the interest of Israel to simply kick out the settlers under a peace agreement…

Quit repeating this “destroy Israel” idea and actually respond.

You claimed Israel wants a viable Palestinian state, but they currently are the ones destroyed the possibility of such a viable state. As proven here:

“The 16-page document is the EU's starkest critique yet of how a combination of house and farm building demolitions; a prohibitive planning regime; relentless settlement expansion; the military's separation barrier; obstacles to free movement; and denial of access to vital natural resources, including land and water, is eroding Palestinian tenure of the large tract of the West Bank on which hopes of a contiguous Palestinian state depend … the report says ‘the window for a two-state solution is rapidly closing with the continued expansion of Israeli settlements and access restrictions for Palestinians in Area C [which] compromises crucial natural resources and land for the future demographic and economic growth of a viable Palestinian state’ … [Also] The report says the destruction of homes, public buildings and workplaces result in "forced transfer of the native population" and that construction is effectively prohibited in 70 per cent of the land – and then in zones largely allocated to settlements of the Israeli military http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-6288336.html ”

Some viable state Israel wants right? I ask you again: If you believe the West Bank will be returned after an agreement is made, how much? When? After it’s already too late?

Did you seriously just claim that the settlers are there to push Palestinians into negotiating with the Israelis…
I’m sorry just stop… The purpose of the settlements are to be difficult to remove. You know it, and I know it.

 

Where did I ever ACCUSED all Jews as liars ? ,

While it may be so for the majority , but as you can see there's a minority who aren't brainwashed + continually parroting Zionist lies. (wink)

However - I look forward to you proving Ilan Pappe - a liar.


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Ceasefires are not peace treaties K.

Wondering why none of them recognized Israel's right to exist. Can you please show this?

And still, they had the baiscs of life and the population increased rather than decreased.

Attempted? Sorry, they didn't.

Palestinian population increases at a rater of over 4%. Most other western nations are only at 1%. Seems the basics are in place.

Yep. They declared war on Israel, not the other way around.

Snippets of info but no real historical plan.

Have they taken the destruction of Israel from their policy and made peace? No, they continue to deliberately suffer in order to destroy and garner the sympathy of the west to further their dream not of garnering a nation but ridding the world of Israel.

Why negotiate when your enemy is committed to destroy you no matter what is given them.

It is what they did, numbers are only an excuse for you to say it will not occur when history proves you wrong.

It is the policy of the Palestinians government. It cannot be swept under the rug.

When it occurs and actual negotiations occur this will come forward but until the destruction of Israel is the policy of Palestinians there is no sense in negotiating anything other than how to keep them from carrying out harm to the state of Israel.

And to apply pressure to make every effort to make peace.

 

How abt producing evidence from reliable independent /No-Zionist /Jewish sources to support your argument/ disagreements / objections . ? Back up or $hut up.

 

You missed my point. I was saying that the 1948 war could have prevented from getting to the extent it did. But Israel decided to violate every single ceasefire during the fighting. As I identified, Israel broke the first truce in June 11 by launching operation Dalet, and then again breaking another truce on July 9 when Israel launched operations Dani and Dekel, and then again in October 14 they broke another truce by launching operation Hiram, and continuing with several attacks all the way to November 1949...
The point is that Israel is responsible for the war just as much as anybody else.

Because Israel illegally seized territory during the war, and created nearly one million Palestinian refugees. The creation of Israel was from brute force, created in violation of the principles of the United Nations Charter, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the very resolution under which the Israelis now claim sovereignty.

Moreover, Israel doesn’t recognize the Palestinians right to exist.

And the armistice agreements are what ended the war, and hostilities completely ceased, except for the fact that Israel violated the armistice immediately after. For example, literally 13 days after the Egyptians signed the agreement with Israel, the Israelis violated them.

First of all, the laws to govern occupation aren’t defined as “the basics of life.”

The main rules of the law applicable in case of occupation state that:
• The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory.
• Occupation is only a temporary situation, and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period.
• The occupying power must respect the laws in force in the occupied territory, unless they constitute a threat to its security or an obstacle to the application of the international law of occupation.
• The occupying power must take measures to restore and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.
• To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation.
• The population in occupied territory cannot be forced to enlist in the occupier's armed forces.
• Collective or individual forcible transfers of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited.
• Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.
• Collective punishment is prohibited.
• The taking of hostages is prohibited.
• Reprisals against protected persons or their property are prohibited.
• The confiscation of private property by the occupant is prohibited.
• The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities.
• Cultural property must be respected.
• People accused of criminal offences shall be provided with proceedings respecting internationally recognized judicial guarantees (for example, they must be informed of the reason for their arrest, charg ed with a specific offence and given a fair trial as quickly as possible).
• Personnel of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent Movement must be allowed to carry out their humanitarian activities. The ICRC, in particular, must be given access to all protected persons, wherever they are, whether or not they are deprived of their liberty.”

And as proven, Israel has violated every single provision:

“The U.N. Security Council has confirmed the applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including Jerusalem, in 25 resolutions. Many of those resolutions call upon Israel, the occupying Power, to comply with the provisions of the Convention and to accept its de jure applicability. The General Assembly, along with other bodies of the U.N., has adopted scores of resolutions affirming the same position, as well as calling for an end to the occupation and repeatedly affirming the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the need for the realization of those rights.

Israel, however, refuses to accept the de jure applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including Jerusalem and has committed serious violations of every relative provision of the Convention. At the start of the occupation, Israel, the occupying Power, immediately began imposing countless repressive measures, such as administrative detention, deportation, home demolitions and other forms of collective punishment, against the Palestinian civilian population in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, inflicting enormous suffering and harm on them.

The occupying Power has also attempted to change the status of the occupied territory or parts of it and to change the demographic composition of the territory through the illegal confiscation of land and the transfer of Israeli civilians.”
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/...256F33006B9F8D

Do you deny Israel is violating the convention now? Yes or no?

You said that “occupied people deserve no more than the basics of life”, and seemed to term the “basics of life” with the laws of occupation. Israel consistently violates these laws, we both know this.

The growth rate is high for Palestinians due to high fertility rates among Palestinians, younger marraiges, and lower mortality rates.
It’s unrelated to Israel’s violation of Palestinian rights. Please provide evidence that Israel’s “compliance” with the Geneva convention contributes to Palestinian population increase.

The Arabs intervened due to the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian population. Attacks on Palestinian villages began in early December 1947. By the time the Arabs intervened there were about 300,000 Palestinians uprooted. Due to all of this Zionist aggression, the Arab League took the decision on the last day of April to intervene.

It’s similar to how the British and French intervened in Germany in 1939. There were atrocities occurring, and nobody would disagree that this had to come to a stop.

Moreover, if Israel wanted the 1948 war to come to an end they would have accepted the ceasefires. The American administration in February 1948 even offered a trusteeship plan for five years in February, and also a three-month cease-fire on 12 May. Israel rejected both of them.

Also, in early May 1942 the Zionist leadership began preparing to convert Palestine to a Jewish state – as outlined in the Baltimore conference. More on the Baltimore program (quoted from wikipedia):

The Biltmore Conference, also known by its resolution as the Biltmore Program, was a fundamental departure from traditional Zionist policy[1] with its demand "that Palestine be established as a Jewish Commonwealth."

recognition must be given to the right of the Jews of Palestine to play their full part in the war effort and in the defence of their country, through a Jewish military force fighting under its own flag and under the high command of the United Nations.
8. The Conference declares that the new world order that will follow victory cannot be established on foundations of peace, justice and equality, unless the problem of Jewish homelessness is finally solved. The Conference urges that the gates of Palestine be opened; that the Jewish Agency be vested with control of immigration into Palestine and with the necessary authority for upbuilding the country, including the development of its unoccupied and uncultivated lands; and that Palestine be established as a Jewish Commonwealth integrated in the structure of the new democratic world.

The Zionist leadership had began its military planning as early as 1945 as proven in David Ben-Gurion’s biography, “the major preperations to convert the Haganah into an army were begun three years before the birth of the state.”
These snippets I presented earlier:


As Benny Morris said, certainly the majority of the country's political and military leaders were happy to see the Arabs go. and The refugee problem was caused by attacks by Jewish forces on Arab villages and towns and by the inhabitants' fear of such attacks, compounded by expulsions atrocities, and rumors of atrocities - and by the crucial Israeli Cabinet decision in June 1948 to bar a refugee return.

Many different historians such as Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, Nur Masalha and others claim and support that Israel coordinated acts of expulsion. There was also precise planning for attacking these villages which usually consisted of a defenseless population. They began making an archive of all the villages of Palestine and completed this by 1930. They figured all the cross roads, water springs, main sources of income etc. As Moshe Pasternak noted We had to study the basic structure of the Arab village. This means the structure and how best to attack it.


They are only “snippets” because I didn’t want to type out the entire book written by Morris, or Pappe. Read on your own, I’m not here to type everything for you.

The Zionists indeed wanted to take the land for their state, as a Jewish state, where they could be a majority. As history has proven, that’s exactly what they did. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have attacked, and destroyed hundreds of villages in 1948. Usually in war, you don’t target civilians to force them to a refugee status.

Numbers only substantiate my argument. History proves it. The Israeli government’s position is that under any final peace agreement, they will not dismantle most of the settlements – this is historical fact proven during the negotiations.

The Palestinian government – which is the PLO – is considered to be the representatives of the Palestinian people. And in 1993, they declared that they recognize Israel’s right to live in peace and security. This is a written document.
The text of the letter:

September 9, 1993
Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel
Mr. Prime Minister,
The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era...I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments: The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338. The PLO commits itself...to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations...the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators...the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid. Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant.
Sincerely,
Yasser Arafat.
Chairman: The Palestine Liberation Organization.

Ok, well you dodged the argument. You said Israel wants a viable Palestinian state alongside it. But due to Israeli actions, the possibility for a viable Palestinian state may no longer exist. Do you deny that Israel is destroying the possibility of a 2 state solution? Can you actually prove they aren’t?

As the article stated:

A combination of house and farm building demolitions; a prohibitive planning regime; relentless settlement expansion; the military's separation barrier; obstacles to free movement; and denial of access to vital natural resources, including land and water, is eroding Palestinian tenure of the large tract of the West Bank on which hopes of a contiguous Palestinian state depend … the report says ‘the window for a two-state solution is rapidly closing with the continued expansion of Israeli settlements

Prove that this is the position of the actual Israeli government through documented evidence or verbal declarations.

 

Dear god in heaven, is there no end to your Secret Agent fantasies?

 

Not state policy to transfer settlers? Explain, then, why Netanyahu announced an accelleration of the settlement programme immediately after Palestine overwhelmingly won the UN vote. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/03/17/uk-israel-settlements-idUKBRE92G0K020130317
Housing Minister Uri Ariel ;"building will continue in accordance with what has been government policy thus far". It doesn't get any clearer than that.
Settlement building has been condemned as illegal by everyone, including the USA-Israel's main benefactor. Interesting that only the Israelis have interpreted (or ignored as irrelevant), the laws of occupation as unique to them.
And no, I will not listen to any spurious semantic arguments about 'forcible transfer' or otherwise. If Netanyahu doesn't want settlers to move into the Occupied Territories then why is he building settlements?

 

When I am dad Snake...when I am dead.

AboveAlpha

 

Strange, Op Dalet began in March.

“On 8 July, the day before the expiration of the truce, Egyptian forces under General Muhammad Naguib renewed the war by attacking Negba.”

“On 22 October, the third truce went into effect.[167] Irregular Arab forces refused to recognize the truce, and continued to harass Israeli forces and settlements in the north. On the same day that the truce came into effect, the Arab Liberation Army violated the truce by attacking Manara, capturing the strongpoint of Sheikh Abed, repulsing counterattacks by local Israeli units, and ambushed Israeli forces attempting to relieve Manara. The IDF's Carmeli Brigade lost 33 dead and 40 wounded.[168] Manara and Misgav Am were totally cut off, and Israel's protests at the UN failed to change the situation.”

Rather than work towards their own state Arabs declared the war on 15 May 1948 rather than negotiate their differences with the Israeli acceptance of 181 and using it as the basis for statehood.

Arabs attacked from those territories. At that time, land was often acquired through warfare.

Strange, the UN proposed the creation of Israel and Palestine and, 181 became the basis for both. Surely you are now not going to argue that the recent admission of Palestine as an observer state is illegal.

They certainly do, just not in the unviable form the Observer Status provides.

Armistice agreements don't end wars, they stop fighting. Peace treaties end wars.

Well they pretty much are. The occupying power is not permitted to kill people or starve them to death and, is not responsible to create a first world economy or to make everybody rich – merely maintain the status quo.

With the exception of Jerusalem compiled with.

Complied with so far.

Complied with so far.

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Proven? Where?

Wow, a Palestinian site proclaiming they are right and Israel wrong is quite the strong proof.

I deny they are insofar ass state policy.

As shown by yourself, the basics are given.

Exactly. The GC is being adhered to and people are being given what they need.

Don’t have to. My point is that they do not take away from it which is what the GC is intended to stop.

Strange, they intervened only because Israel declared itself a nation. Any actions that were occurring were already occurring anyhow.

Atrocities such as invading allies such as Poland.

They did and the Arabs broke them as shown above.

And the UN offered the Palestinians a nation of their own alongside a Jewish one which they refused for territorial reasons and didn’t feel they needed to negotiate whatsoever as they were going to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth instead and claim the entire land for themselves..

How strange. The Biltmore Conference seemed to have gotten lost in the formation of Israel as the Declaration of Independence states that Israel wishes to abide by 181 which as we all know forms a separate Palestinian nation within boundaries designated by same.

 

Nobody is forcibly transferring anybody Snake.

 

You clearly stated that it was not government policy to build settlements. I have offered you a correction. Deal with it and don't try obvious deflection tactics-or perhaps you could suggest who these settlements are being built for, if not for the illegal occupation of land which is not Israel's, by Jews who should be living in their own country, Israel. Perhaps they are built for Palestinians in an unprecedented act of kindness?

 

Quote please.

 

It is not up to me to prove a negative Marlowe.

 

Kerry: US considers Israeli settlements to be 'illegitimate'

"Let me emphasize at this point the position of the United States of America on the settlements is that we consider them... to be illegitimate," Kerry said

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Kerry-US-considers-Israeli-settlements-to-be-illegal-330786

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Jerusalem is also not officially recognised by Washington as part of the Jewish state , that's why US embassy is still in Tel-Aviv and not J'lem.


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Nothing negative abt it - this was your claim / a firm statement. :

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You sounded very positive at first and then when challenged you're just chickening out .

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As I said I cannot prove a negative. If a policy exists to violate the GC then I cannot come up with an example of it not being violated as it does not exist. Seems you don't understand this.

 

I am Drew Bedson, not John Kerry. A quote from me to support your contention of "You clearly stated that it was not government policy to build settlements. " please.

 

No , you made a statement and when challenged , was incapable / failed to back it up.


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