You're right, my fellow Virginian, and I'll add that the gulags and "re-education" camps that those Stalinist swine created weren't established to ensure the distribution of wealth. The whole system is based and built on coercion, thus it invariably produces tyranny, and the last thing Communist tyrants tolerate is dissent.
But there's no missing the historical fact that both those Communist regimes were responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of human beings. It's hard to believe, but the Communists of the 20th Century made Hitler and his fellow Nazi psychopaths look like pikers...
They're both. All of the privelege and none of the responsibility of being a 'person'. It's a bad joke that unfortunately represents reality.
And you've been spoon fed what? The truth? By who? Public Citizen? Give me a break... For 200 years, businesses could contribute to campaign finances... then, in the 1970s, all of a sudden liberals think it a good idea to prevent businesses from having a say. You disenfranchised them and the Supreme Court disagreed with that decision. If you want to tax and regulate corporation, then you're treating them as you would citizens of the country. You can't have it both ways. I didn't change the subject... you're the one calling corporations inanimate objects and then challenging my definitions of "corporation" and "inanimate." Is it difficult to follow your own argument? This is the 2nd time I've corrected a liberal (or whatever you are) about their original argument. Please pay attention to what you actually say, so we can keep things in context. I'll repeat what I said to CaptainAngryPants (not that you'll actually get it): "Corporations are a group of people working toward a single purpose. Corporations employ people, they buy things, they form contracts, they are hired by other corporations/entities, they donate to charities, they register patents, they invent things, they build things and they pay taxes. Buildings and pieces of paper don't do any of this. Additionally, the people that form a corporation all have beating hearts, minds, families, friends, obligations, etc." But it's viewed as a representative of the citizens of that State or Country. Corporations don't buy seats... they contribute to election campaigns. Even if billions of dollars were funneled into an election campaign, it doesn't guarantee that the person being propped up by that money is going to win an election. Look at Terry McAuliffe in VA. He's out funding Cucinnelli 25 to 1 (with most of that money coming from out of the state) and the spread is about 4-7% by recent polls. McAuliffe is now afraid that he might not win. What you're really saying is that people are too stupid to make a well-informed decision about who to vote for in any election, and continuously fall for propaganda. I'm curious how you would have referred to it in any other argument. But it's viewed as a representative of the citizens in that city. You questioning my reading comprehension skills isn't an insult? You have an interesting way of being nice. Perhaps you're mistaken... we are having an argument. Where is that handy dandy dictionary of yours? According to you, it isn't. According to Corporations, most business men, Conservatives, the Chamber of Commerce and the Supreme Court it is. Looks like you're wrong and in the minority. What's keeping you here? Feel free to leave the thread. I said a corporation is taxed and regulated as a person, so it should be treated as such. I also said that it represents a body of people that is fueled and only exists, because of the people who form it. Natural disasters aren't taxed, regulated or fueled by a body of people. Natural disasters happen with or without people. I agree... . This is your only argument, which is a very tired one. "Corporations aren't people, because I said so." Same argument... You're ignoring taxes on the back end. Taxes that go into costs of doing business - manufacturing/production - purchasing the components needed to manufacture/produce the product, etc. Then you're ignoring regulations on methods of production (such as carbon emission limitations), regulations on where you can sell, how you can sell, who you can sell to, etc. Then you're ignoring the costs of having the best accountants/lawyers that will find the loopholes for your company, in addition to the rest of your overhead. So what's your real profit on the lemonade you sell? Lemonade sells for $1 a pop - does that include sales tax? We'll say 5% sales tax. 35-40% corporate income tax + payroll tax. Add in costs to hire an efficient accountant/lawyer. Add in costs for employee salaries, the lemons, cups/glasses, electricity used for powering your machinery and making your place of business functional + the production taxes that are associated with each. Then add in costs of doing business in the state you're in, such as annual registration fees. Then, if you accept credit cards, add in the costs of having a merchant account and the associated per sale fees. So what's your real profit? That is a lie and you don't know what you're talking about. ;] What kind of businesses do you run, I wonder? Corporations don't vote, they fund campaigns. You're crying wolf. Well, if you kept it in context to your ramblings and my full response, you'd probably understand. I'll let you figure it out if you're interested. Perhaps you should re-read my responses to your arguments. Yes, I'm the enabler... Please explain to me how preventing corporations from funding election campaigns enables crony capitalism? You're either going to be a crook or you're not. There are plenty (a grand majority) of good businessmen who aren't.
Any organization that represents people should be entitled to practice freedom of speech and fund election campaigns. Elections have repercussions that can effect those corporations and the people that corporation represents. If that means granting corporations "personhood," then so be it.
lol, you honestly believe that regulations are in place to "help" businesses? How has it helped business to force them to meet certain EPA standards? They do follow government rules... What does this have to do with anything, though?
One always forgets that Americans are not allowed to know history. Yes, that is of course exactly what happened. Eighteen capitalist armies attacked the fledgling Soviet Union and wiped out its (small) working class, leaving the Party either to commit suicide and see their families die or introduce State Capitalism. Similarly the Chinese fascists, backed by the West, murdered all the workers in Shanghai, forcing the Party to go on the Long March, recruiting peasants, and set up a State capitalist regime once it had beaten the Japanese. Your historical illiteracy, really, astounds even me!
Where in the article does Palin mention anything about the age of the world? I'm talking about her comments in the article and not her stance on anything else. I think I made that pretty clear by posting the link.
When I was talking about Sarah Palin having interesting things to say I posted a link to an article - see below. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/10/us...0tZqZl8xOiUg7g As for my original post I gave a link to an article that showed the great divide in America. I didn't say anything about Sarah Palin in my original post. I'm not sure what you're referring to.
It's extremely vague, not specific at all. So how exactly does your OP exclude comments about Sarah Palin's state of mind? Be specific if you can.
It doesn't. You can rant about Sarah Palin's state of mind all you want. Partisan politics has been played on this site and in Washington to death and it certainly hasn't done anything other than polarize opinion so much that people on either side are afraid to legitimately criticize their own. Isn't that peachy? Let's play politics until we destroy the country.
Yeah, how much stranger can we take this logic and follow it to the end? Why stop with the economy? So when Mao ran the Great Leap Forward and caused around thirty million deaths as a result of his communist leadership, he was really a figurehead of the Vast Working Majority. When Stalin ran the Great Purge, it was really the Vast Working Majority doing so. When he also signed a nonaggression pact with Nazi Germany, it was really the Vast Working Majority that backed him up. Wales: Possibly the only place out there making the US Educational System look good.
Sure, I can read, bud. You're advocating Palin is less than polarizing though, and she basically thrives on it. That's all she's got.
