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House Republicans Stab Conservatives in the Back

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    John Boehner, Paul Ryan, and other house republicans show their true liberal colors after turning their backs on the American people
    by voting to pass a bill which dramatically raises taxes and increases government spending significantly.
    This betrayal of the American people comes as no surprise to some as it has long been suspected that these squishy RINOs would break their promises and try to start chipping away at the sequester deficit reduction package at the first opportunity they got.

    And to add to that disgrace, this would have likely been one of the last opportunities for us to finally repeal the Obamanation that is Obamacare by using the bill as leverage against the dems, but just like that, Boehner may have just thrown that opportunity down the toilet.

    Let us just hope that the Senate republicans stay true to their convictions and stop this bill in its tracks, or else America is doomed to despotism.
    Either way, as for Boehner, Ryan, and the other turncoats, they're finished...we'll show them next cycle just what happens to so called "republicans" who choose to "compromise" with Democrats. No good thing can ever come from a compromise of one's convictions, and Boehner and his establishment buddies are going to pay the price for what they've done.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/12/politics/congress-budget/

    -Atem
     
    Meta777, Dec 13, 2013
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good for them. Glad to see 2 seemingly intrenched sides finally come together and get something done. Washington needs more of this.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is not accurate.
    It neither raises taxes nor increases entitlements.
    It neither lowers taxes nor cuts entitlements.

    You will hear chatter on both sides. Somebody... for the love of God... read the bill.
     
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    Osiris Faction Well-Known Member

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    Oh look, elected officials doing what they were elected to do....que the right wing screeching and whining.

    The first sane move from the GOP in years. We can not play Russian roulette with he country anymore, end the idiocy.
     
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    wish the OP could explain how anyone could get Obamacare repealed when the Dims hold the presidency and the Senate. Might want to go back and take remedial Civics because last I looked the House cannot do much by itself. Now if the far right loonies had not put kept insisting on running idiots for some Senate seats there is a chance the GOP could have had a veto proof majority and a chance of repealing this awful mess
     
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    correction the far right wing, in other words the mirror image of the current administration. Both the far left progressives and the far right tea partiers are out to destroy America, just coming at it from opposite directions.


    Seems like equal numbers of progressives and tea partiers opposed the bill in the House. About 1/4 of each party voted nay, so there was some screeching going on in the Dimocratric camp also
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are supposed to pass the bill to know whats in it.
    Who reads them before nowadays?
     
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    OverDrive Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a Conservative in my basic thinking, smart politics is knowing when to pick your battles---and learn from the past what works and what doesnt. If the 'unreasonable' right wing in the House fights this compromise they will perpetuate the reputation of the GOP in being called the 'stupid party'...trying to 'give away' the 2014 elections.
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, grow up and stop acting like a spoiled brat.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...90ee78-6368-11e3-91b3-f2bb96304e34_story.html
     
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    There's always a fringe element to every party.

    The difference being most don't let their run the show like the GOP has been.
     
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    I don't why the two parties just don't merge

    I think a lot of people would love to see a one party rule in this country anyway

    Then we can All the Government
     
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  12. Meta777

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    Lol, you don't know what you're talking about. The liberals are even bragging to each-other about how they've finally been able to start cutting back on the sequester cuts, and you know for once in their lives they're actually right about something. This bill cuts back the sequester!

    Some of the RINOs are trying to justify going forward with this by saying that the extra spending in 2014 will be made up 10 years from now...
    10 years from now!? Are they serious? If there is one thing that is known for sure, its that democrats cannot be trusted to keep their promises, especially when it comes to future spending cuts,...its always, just let us spend now and we promise to cut in the future, but again, they can never be trusted on this (same thing with amnesty), and after this latest stunt attempting to go back on their word regarding the sequester, I'm pretty sure that these "republicans" cannot be taken for their word either,...they're basically just kicking the can down the road, and even then, the total promised deficit reduction through spending cuts is still lower than what we had before. Face it, they were sent to congress to lower spending, and they did just the opposite.

    And when you increase spending, you necessarily either have to raise taxes or increase the debt.
    This bill somehow manages to do both! Don't be fooled, the lying politicians are referring to them as "fees" but to them calling something a "fee" is just another way for them to hide the fact that they're raising taxes on the American citizens.
    This is exactly why republicans should never compromise with Dims. Nothing good will come of it and it will only destroy the country.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...tisan-budget-deal-tax-and-tax-spend-and-spend

    -Atem
     
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    There is plenty the house can do if they grow a spine. Or I should say that there is plenty they can stop liberals from doing.
    They control the purse strings, and if they stop the flow of money, then Obama's crazy spending frenzy can finally come to an end.

    As for Obamacare, the only way to repeal it now is to find some leverage to use against the democrats, and I'm afraid this budget bill may be the last chance we have, and yet these spineless so called establishment republicans are throwing that all away,...and for what?
    If we wait around for true conservatives to take back over the senate and the White House, by then it will be too late, as the moochers will likely have become as attached to Obamacare as they are to Social Security and Medicare...Then we'll never be able to repeal it.

    I agree with you though, if we hadn't ran and elected all these idiot liberal establishment republicans, repealing this mess would have been a lot easier.

    -Atem
     
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    LOL. I agree.

    They have to start working. If they stick to this do nothing mentality things will just keep getting worse.

    Too many conservatives have bought into the idea that their politicians doing real work is somehow destructive to their cause. Involvement in the process is such a basic strategy...... I just do not get it.

    peace
     
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    I still have yet to understand why the tea party gets called 'far right'...They act like conservatives, unlike the neocons.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    The whole reason we sent the Tea-party to Washington was to cut spending, lower taxes, and shrink government!
    That's why they were sent to Washington, its their job, its what they were elected to do. And obviously a smaller government does fewer things.

    A government that does fewer things is exactly what everyone should want, but its not surprising at all that many libs don't understand this.
    Of course,...it would be better if the congress was more effective at repealing all of these unconstitutional laws and government handouts,
    but with so many libs still left in congress doing the bidding of their corporatist masters, actually shrinking the government to a sustainable level is difficult,
    but the least we should be able to do is keep it from growing. However,.. increasing taxes and spending,...that is just the opposite of what we need,
    and all it will lead to is more debt and the creation of an even larger moocher class. Can you explain to me how that is at all moral or economically practical?

    -Atem
     
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    Kranes56 Banned

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    Paul Ryan a RINO? So McCain, Mittens and now Paul Ryan, the man chosen to be the VP canidate because of his libertarian leanings is now a RINO? Just because these men don't have the same far right ideology as the rest, doesn't make them RINOs. It just means they have common sense.
     
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    Yes because the Cruztards were doing such a swell job. :roll: The only thing that will (*)(*)(*)(*) up the Republicans taking the WH and the Senate will be the Cruztards going on another mindless stampede of ignorance just so that they can preen themselves in front of a mirror and tell everyone how awesome they are. Shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up and let Obamacare implement itself without any interference. When it completely collapses..........when not if but when that happens, as we have already seen is happening in the beginning of implementation, I do not want the Democrats to be able to claim that it would have worked if it hadn't been for the Cruztards getting in the way. I want even the dumbest voter in 2014 and 2016 to clearly know that the Democrats own all 100% of Obamacare's failure and I don't want a single iota of any possible political blame to be placed on the Republicans.

    Shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up and stand out of the way and get the Senate and WH in 2014 and 2016 and then destroy Obamacare if the Dems haven't abandoned ship before then and done it themselves.

    I honestly don't know which group of people is the biggest collection of mindless, unthinking, drooling drones, the Cruz supporters or the Palin supporters.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    If the fringe nutters are whining, then it must be good for all americans.
     
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    OverDrive Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Looks like 'we' registered Republicans have a choice:

    1) Die as patriots and provide the reason for a 3rd party to thin out future conservative votes
    or
    2) Live to fight another day when winning is possible and w/o alienating future voters

    As a TEA partier in spirit, I choose to do the latter....
     
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    Increasing revenues can come from a growing economy. IE a larger pie.
    What is meant by 'destroy the country'?
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    What crazy spending frenzy are you referring to?

    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_spending_chart

    Doesn't show frenzy spending. Looks pretty stable for the last few years.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    I figured they are the same group.
    This coming from a Paul supporter.
     
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    This isn't a great deal, but there wasn't a clear alternative unless you want to go for another government shut down. If there is a way to save the Democrats from their Obamacare mess it would be to have the Republican's launch another shut down. We just went through that, where we wasted weeks of Obamacare failure to talk about Republican failure. I would rather keep the focus on the Democrats and Obamacare, not sabotage Republican chances for 2014 for... actually I don't know what it would be for.
     
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