WOW so if you want to make more than minimum wage be a valuable employee to your employer, what a novel idea!
Yep, we do, and those kids in sweatshops in China will get theirs too as the Chinese labor evolution occurs. - - - Updated - - - Actually he sounds like a happy person who accepts his personal limitations. It is you who sounds angry, at anyone willing to do his best and still be happy with less, instead of being a jealous goon who wants what others earned.
I lived in Europe for 16 years. Germany for the most part, and Spain for 3 years. Our standards of living here for the most part are better than either when measured by normal expenses and standard of living. The only thing that makes the "so called ratings" are skewed because of the few things in the US different than Europe. Yes, we do have more "relative poverty" than they do, but even they have "relative poverty." For the most parts our homes are more convenient and we have more modern appliances and more space than most Europeans, and to me, that is the important. Even our medical care, which could use a better distribution system, is better.
Look at the statistics for the 35 years terminating in 2003 with inflation adjusted dollars. View attachment 24912 Every time we try to improve the relatively poor, their standard of living remains the same using more dollars to buy it.
Exactly! When minimum wage is increased, IT IS STILL MINIMUM WAGE and it will still only buy the standard of living the old minimum wage bought. There will always be the bottom 1/5 of people, no matter how much you raise their pay, they will still be on the bottom. - - - Updated - - - Actually, all he has to do is what he as done all along. Work for his wage and either try to improve his lot or be satisfied with what he has.
Wait! You forgot the rest......."so he can come on line and complain about how he hates this and how he hates that. LOL
Anything I have, own or possess buddy, is of MY own doing...not the corporation. You can 'produce' all the widgets you like but, if I don't buy it, you go away. That's the mental block corporate advocates have. - - - Updated - - - Perhaps you could give us YOUR perception of 'well over minimum wage', and I could better respond to your inquiry? How much is 'well over', to you?
All employees ARE valuable, or the wouldn't be employees in the first place. These profiteering entities don't operate out of charity, do they? Your reference to 'valuable employee', is flawed.
Of course those child labors in sweatshops will get their reward someday. They just have to be patient, and keep enriching their masters, and hope for the day they throw them a bone. I know. In the meantime though, they need to 'just keep producing at a highly profitable rate', and hope for the best. I got it.
Oh yes. And I have heard this from nearly everyone I have ever met that either lived in Europe, or still does live in Europe. Now I want to make something very very clear to all the Europeans that could be on this forum. I am not saying that Europe is bad. Europe is still leading the rest of the world. But.... there is no other place with a higher standard of living than the US. None. Again, it might be only a few % points better. But it's still better here, than anywhere else! And yet all the stupid ignorant whiny American leftists can do... and b!tch and moan. It's pathetic. It's why people around the world hate Americans. We complain about "relative poverty" and the rest of the world looks at our "poverty" and laughs. Have you seen Mexicans living in refrigerator boxes? Have you seen Eastern Europeans, sharing water through a garden hose in the window? We have it so great in the country. The worst off in America, live better than the middle class of the rest of the world. We have nothing to complain about. Our Capitalist based system, has made us the most wealthy nation that has ever existed in human history. You people need to just SHUT UP. Stop your whining and moaning.
That right there is another difference between the right and the left. I have no interest in putting my views into anyone. You are the one that forces me, to pay for your social programs, that have never once in my entire life, never benefited me, the lower class... which you claim to support. You force me to follow your ideology. Can I opt-out of social security? Medicare? Medicaid? Welfare? Food stamps? Nope. My money is forcibly confiscated from my pay check, to pay for those programs, which I don't support or believe in. And I'm the lower class! "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson Which one, between you and me, is the tyrant here? Which one is dictating to the other in this situation? The leftists are the ones dictating to me, the right winger. - - - Updated - - - Oh shut up troll. If you are going to start acting like a 5-year-old, get off the forum. This forum is for adults. Either be an adult, or go find some myspace page to chat with your elementary school friends.
Complain about ignorant, stupid, whiny, pathetic, spoiled brat leftists, who b!tch and moan no matter how much they have. I'm very happy with what I have in life, whether it is little or much. If I earn more in the future, I'll be happy with that. But I'll never be happy with spoiled brats, and that's all the left are. Arrogant, hypocritical, spoiled brats. If that's you, (and you are sounding more like it with every post), then that's your problem.
You are like the Bill Clinton of the forum. Non-stop lies. Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie. No, what you have is not of your doing. You are wrong. I know better! Are people on the left so incredibly stupid, that you think you can convince me that a company didn't build the computer you are using right now? You expect me to believe that the clothes you are wearing, were not made by a company? Or sold by a company? You are full of crap. Go redefine 'is' or something. Stop wasting our time with your mindless stupidity.
Wages are rising in China.... right now. Not someday, but right now in the present. The market system always works. It has always worked throughout history, and throughout all cultures and nations. Wages are rising throughout China, because as people produce more, and produce more value, they end up being more valuable to the employer, who in turn has to pay more to keep quality employees. That's why I've said for years, to all the protectionist morons, the trade deficit with China, is a short term situation. It will automatically change on it's own.
I am skeptical that wages are rising because of natural supply-demand in China. I suspect that the Chinese government is pushing them as it starts to move from an export economy to a domestic consumption economy in order, among other things, to address their environmental challenges.
I doubt it. Most of China has no minimum wage, and the minimum wage as I understand it, doesn't even affect migrant workers, which make up the majority of labor. The Chinese government has very little control over wages. Only a handful of specific cities, even have minimum wages at all. The source of all the ultra cheap labor, was the massive migration of people from rural areas, into the cities, which kept the labor rates extremely low. However, that extremely low labor costs, caused an avalanche of investment and business that sucked up all that labor. Now, the influx of cheap migrant labor has dwindled, simply because the rural areas have been cleaned out of the working age population. But the pouring in of investment continued. As a result, the demand kept increasing, while supply started dropping. For a short time, this interaction caused a huge problem in the higher education markets, because workers with degrees, were earning exactly the same as migrant workers with zero education.
I think that is probably the most common reason people post on line. But the individual you are addressing is not one of the perennial complainers as he tends to accept what he is happily.
If there were no corporations in this world you would be homeless and penniless. Try the average "poor" southern state average income of $35K. - - - Updated - - - If there were no corporations in this world you would be homeless and penniless. Try the average "poor" southern state average income of $35K. - - - Updated - - - Some are not any more productive than what minimum wage pays, if that. Most employees are valuable and are paid more, some are not worth the powder it would take to blow them to hell.
Yeah yeah yeah, we know you are a bitter corporation hating person. No labor force gets to where our is without going through the hard years of evolution, not here, not there, not anywhere.
ROFL no they aren't, have fired a few that weren't in my day. One came back a few years later after he grew a little older and wished he could get the job he squandered back.
They really aren't at the turning point yet, but they are getting close. I read or heard somewhere that the current 5 year plan by the government requires wages to increase at least 13% per year due to two factors--1) civil unrest in certain parts of the country related to economic conditions and 2) the One Child Policy has left them a very short window until they have serious labor issues with too few needing to literally and figuratively take care of too many so they need to up the wages and domestic economy/quality of life to attract people who are not just willing to invest in China but to actually move there. Some areas have adopted minimum wages even higher than the mandated 13% annual growth.
That's the target. Yes, they have a target of 13% per year. But it's as much of a 'target' as Obama Care eliminating uninsured is a target. They can try and give incentives to cause wages to raise, but they have no real control over it, with exception of the government owned companies, but of course those people are already paid vastly more. Individual cities do have their own minimum wage, that's true as well. But most of the time, it's in places where wages are already higher than the minimum they create. China will never raise minimum wage in any meaningful way, that would drive away business, and some business is already migrating away from China because of the natural increase in wages. Namely clothing, which has moved to Pakistan, and Indonesia. As for the goal of preventing civil unrest, that's going to happen anyway. It's already hitting very hard in some areas, because men can't find wives, and it's driving them nutz. (which is odd because women drive me nutz by being around, and it's driving them nutz by not being around) At any rate, without wives, the men are getting increasingly erratic. Most of the suicide is due to that, and other government caused factors.
