Really? Religion of Peace.

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  1. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    Religion is kool... on the other hand peoples interpretation of religion can be wacko! The minority does not represent the majority and if all 1 Billion Muslims decided to wage a holy was against the West we would all be screwed.
     
  2. MightyAxe

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    A boast I have read many times. One that is heavily steeped in ignorance. Tossing out that billion number to impress while disregarding the world's Christian population is greater! Kindly note the populations of Islamists is 1.6 billion while the population of Christians is well over 2.1 billion.
    The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 31.59% (of which Roman Catholic 18.85%, Protestant 8.15%, Orthodox 4.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 23.2%, Hindu 15.0%, Buddhist 7.1%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.2%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01%. (2010 est.).[1]



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    1 Adherent estimates 1.1 Notes

    2 By proportion 2.1 Christians
    2.2 Muslims
    2.3 Buddhists
    2.4 Hindus
    2.5 Ethnic/Indigenous
    2.6 Indigenous
    2.7 Judaism
    2.8 Bahá'ís
    2.9 Irreligious & Atheist
    2.10 Sikhism
    2.11 Taoists/Confucianists/Chinese traditional religionists
    2.12 Jainism
    2.13 Mormonism
    2.14 Spiritism

    3 By population 3.1 Christians
    3.2 Muslims
    3.3 Buddhists
    3.4 Hindus
    3.5 Jews
    3.6 Sikhs
    3.7 Bahá'ís
    3.8 Jainism

    4 See also
    5 References
    6 External links


    Adherent estimates[edit]



    Size of Major Religious Groups, 2012

    Religion Percent
    Christian
     
    31.5%
    Muslim
     
    23.1%
    Unaffiliated
     
    16.4%
    Hindu
     
    15.0%
    Buddhist *
     
    7.1%
    Folk
     
    5.9%
    Other
     
    0.8%
    Jewish
     
    0.2%
    Pew Research Center, 2012[2]

    Adherents.com says "Sizes shown are approximate estimates, and are here mainly for the purpose of ordering the groups, not providing a definitive number".[3]


    Religion

    Adherents


    Christianity 2.1 billion
    Islam 1.6 billion
    Secular*/Nonreligious*/Agnostic/Atheist ≤ 1.1 billion
    Hinduism 1 billion
    Chinese traditional religion* 394 million
    Buddhism* 376 million - 1.2 billion
    Primal-Indigenous religions 300 million
    African Traditional & Diasporic religions 100 million
    Sikhism 28 million
    Shinto 27-65 million
    Juche* 19 million
    Spiritism 15 million
    Judaism 14 million
    Baha'i 7 million
    Jainism 5 million
    Cao Dai 4 million
    Tenrikyo 2 million
    Neo-Paganism 1 million
    Unitarian Universalism 800,000
    Rastafarianism 600,000
    Zoroastrianism 145,000
     
  3. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    That 1.1 billion atheists/secular grows exponentially with every generation. Religion is fast becoming the preserve of the elderly, the impoverished and disenfranchised, and the young misfit. It isnt there yet, but the writing is all over the wall. In permanent marker.
     
  4. dairyair

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    The jewish God of the bible, killed everything on earth in 40 days. Except what was on an ark.
     
  5. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    OMD. The 1st, I repeat, 1st, non juvenile response ever from you.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    It gets brought up mostly because 67% or more of the world will be eternally tortured in a fire pit. According to christians. And it is thought of as being good. That is hypocrisy.
     
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    oh goody. a thread about whose religion killed less people.
    As if that justifies, my religion is better than your. I kill less people.
    FAIL.
     
  8. doombug

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    Still waiting for yours....

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    Your post makes no sense.....
     
  9. YouLie

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    And most people prefer to look at these complex issues in ways that simply suit their world view or their egos.
     
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    Ditto. It's a really silly way to sort out the good guys and the bad guys. All religions are full of…people, including nefarious people. It would stand to reason that the higher your population percentage as a religion, and the farther it reaches around the globe, the more said people of the religion have killed compared to a group or religion with less followers in the same population.
     
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    Reductio ad. is a fallacy of course, but what nuance is being left out?

    And how do you know about most people?

    I see Christianity being in large part a way of unrealistically trying to simplify very complex
    matters, from morality to the nature or reality.

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    Buddhism does not seem to teach that one must kill off the Jews and kill or convert anyone else who isnt Buddhist.
     
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    Do you see Christ unrealistically trying to simplify very complex matters, from morality to the nature or reality?
     
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    taikoo Banned

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    If you put everything he is supposed to have said into a speech it would last about 2.5 minutes.

    Christianity takes in the whole bible, first to last.

    And yes, the whole "in the beginning" sure does most unrealistically simplify!

    How many examples might be needed of this simplification?
     
  14. dairyair

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    Graduate jr high and much more things will begin to make sense.
     
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    Hahaha!....still waiting......
     
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    Why? This sounds pretty cliche. Since I am not a Muslim, how would this "truth" affect me? I have no doubt about atrocities committed by Muslims, but the death toll of a 9 digit number is insanely high.
     
  17. MightyAxe

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    Sure it is a very high number but it totals up 1400+ years of murdering to advance a cult. Even should it be 50% less its still a very high number for a religion that dares to exclaim that it is the religion of peace.
     
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    Hi my name is JooDee.

    Everyone has a different understanding of "peace". In Islam a Muslim means to submit to God. Through that submission they get "peace". The idea is to leave behind materialism and focus on God only. It is argued this is how they will achieve peace.

    Peace,
    JooDee,
    Grand Secretary of Bar Sing Say.
     
  19. Mr_Truth

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    How many Muslims were killed by Christian Bush when he engaged in his "crusade" against Iraq and Afghanistan?


    Those who claim to worship the Prince of Peace sure haven't done a good job of selling the idea that Christianity brings peace to the world.



    Quoting Hitler: "In killing Jews I am doing God's handiwork - I am and remain a Catholic".
     
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    Neat...unfortunately many other people see peace as not being killed because you are not a Muslim, or drew a cartoon.
     
  21. ManifestDestiny

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    "The American Embassy in Jakarta supplied the Indonesian military with lists of up to 5,000 suspected Communists.[24] Although some PKI branches organised resistance and reprisal killings, most went passively to their deaths.[25] Not all victims were PKI members. Often the label "PKI" was used to include anyone to the left of the Indonesian National Party (PNI).[26] In other cases victims were suspected or simply alleged Communists.[10]"
    America is not so great either and also murders in the name of religion, I am not trying to take away from your point that Islam is very bad I just wanted to point out so is America and Christianity, since you tried making it seem like Christianity isnt that bad only in northern Ireland which is entirely not true. Christianity is very dangerous, people think that just because America calls itself a secular country that it makes it true but thats not the case, sadly, very sadly we are indeed as of now a Christian nation and we fight for Christianity, that is why the vast majority of American Christians (which make up most of our population) are supporting Israels illegal occupation of Palestine. Also our fight against the USSR was very much so a religious battle, when the cold war started that is when we starting using massive propaganda against non-Christians especially atheists (because communism is atheist) that is even when we added "In God we trust" on our money and "One nation under God" in our schools to brainwash children exactly like a Hitler youth group, there is even black and white photos of American children in class doing the Nazi salute to the American flag. We even hired many Nazis who were guilty of massive war crimes but we expunged their crimes and let them work for us. This is just a couple examples, America has caused much death all around the world in the name of Christianity. Again, dont get me wrong im 100% against Islam but I am also against other religions I am not biased against Muslims and dont try to act like Christianity isnt that bad when it really is. You know how many Christians just want to nuke the entire middle east and get rid of Islam once and for all? You may be very surprised.
     
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    Exactly, well said
     
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    So you think we have a Christian ruled government? How silly, obama is about as far from Christianity as one can get. The leftist/socialists and democrats like to point to our world meddling as Capitalism and its evils while here you are shouting it is Christianity. Both views can not be right.
     
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    So you too think we have a Christian ruled government? Obama is about as far from Christianity as one can get. The leftist/socialists and democrats like to point to our world meddling as Capitalism with its evils and here you are saying it is Christianity instead. Nice to see that you at least did admit how bad Islam is most will not even do that.
     
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    You talk about a "Christian ruled government" than jump right on Obama not being Christian, OBAMA DOES NOT RULE OUR GOVERNMENT that is right wing fearmongering plain and simple, Obama is far from a dictator and the ruler of this government. I dont like Obama but I do believe he is a Christian, the Bible is openly socialist although it was not called socialism at that time it was simply called "helping the poor using richer peoples money", but when you look at Christians ideologies they tend to not give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the poor at all, Christians are largely conservatives in favor of big business and a free market that destroys the lower classes just as the Pope rightfully said. Its funny, I am an atheist and I love this Pope more than most Christians. I see Republicans every where especially Fox News talking mad crap about the Pope for being against capitalism and in favor of socialism, as was the bible. The point is, the vast majority of people who call themselves Christians are capitalists, everyone leading our government claims to be a Christian, sure you can act like they are lying but I highly doubt it and thats just semantics, most people in this country really are Christian and the bible is so contradictory you can have any ideology you want and bomb any country you want (as long as its not Israel, the bible says be nice to the jews but (*)(*)(*)(*) foreigners) and you can still be a true Christian. Even the slave owners before and during the Civil War were hardliner Christians, in fact they were more Christian than most.

    "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"
    America did this for centuries, how very Christian of us. We are still doing this, except we throw them into prison off bogus charges like smoking/selling weed than we force them to do slave labor which the constitution allows, "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." -13th Amendment. If we would have added in that amendment "except for the Jews" than we would be true Christians indeed, I guess we will have to settle for petty Christians but Christians nonetheless.
     

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