What is the real reason GOP hates the Affordable Care Act

They should have just made Medicare available to all Americans and be done with it.

 

You mean instead of shackling them to rely on government, work on freeing up the market so they can find a job? What haters!

 

Uh, yes!

BTW, the Weekly Standard story you cited was discredited within 24 hours. Evidently Fox didn't tell you.

And I don't care what Byron York has to say.

The claims about armies of IRS agents are myths made up by the right wing noise machine.

So is the claim about weapons.

 

Yep, what I thought. Not man enough and not honest enough.

 

No, Im talking about the people who claim to not be against the poor or not hate the poor, but yet their actions speak louder than their words when they attempt well over 40 times to keep those very same poor from getting healthcare.

It boggles the mind, but it is the best entertainment than money doesn't have to buy! Its sad and funny all rolled into one! We like to call these things "2fers".

 

Nobody is stopping the poor from getting healthcare, just from giving away other people's money to insurance companies. You should talk to people that work in hospitals sometime. Plenty of poor get healthcare without insurance, by law.

 

So far in Kentucky there are 189,030 that signed up for Medicaid and on the exchange there are 33,289. According to these numbers most are eligible for Medicaid.

 

I'm sure they are fully aware of it.

If Paul Ryan is one third the "brilliant numbers guy" that some in the media keep touting him as, he knows full well that none of his budgets (including the one with NO numbers) or health care reform proposals pencil out.

The right wingers here are ranting about the individual mandate.

Yet, that was a Republican idea. The individual mandate was at the core of the Heritage Foundation proposal. There will certainly be right wingers who will try and contradict this post, denying the facts, and some will post more recent Heritage Foundation spin pieces trying to deflect that fact, but we hav ethe text of their original paper, so there is not question on that issue.

As GOP leaders know that they can talk about empty proposals to give people the things they like about the ACA without the individual mandate, but they also know that the insurance industry will never support it, and if they were forced to impliment it, premiums would skyrocket. But they don't have to tell that to their base. Keep it simle.

As you can see on this thread, all the lies that right wing media told its audience are now cemented in their heads, dispite the fact that nearly all of them have been discredited. Cognitive dissonance has set in.

Now, the GOP is reduced to yelling about high deductibles. They have to keep the volume up on this one, as high deductibles was their idea too.

But this is a typical Repubican ploy. Promise people something for nothing, knowing full well that it's not going to happen, and therefore the GOP leadership never gets held responsible for the unworkability of their ideas.

 

the current GOP seeks the destruction for our government so it works great for them

 

They don't want them to have the ACA. They don't want them to have THIS healthcare. So yes, they are no matter how you want to twist the words!

So, I was talking about THOSE people. THOSE people who shut down the government to keep other people from getting THAT healthcare. THOSE people who attempted over 40 times to keep people from getting THAT healthcare.

And then THOSE very same people have the insanity to claim that they really want those people to get THAT healthcare all the while they try to repeal it.

Its very sad, but extremely comical all rolled into one. Its the best entertainment that money doesn't have to buy! Its priceless! LOL

 

When you have nothing to offer, bellywhinge about those who do.

The individual mandate actually has an impressive conservative pedigree that predates Newt Gingrich proposing it, Willard touting it as the conservative approach, and the Heritage Foundation singing its praises whilst others were advocating a single-payer system. The more conservative reform was signed into law by the Republican governor of Massachusetts amidst considerable hoopla.

What was the right wing perspective regarding WillardCare? Let's do it for the whole country!

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So, if the self-proclaimed conservative approach of Gingrich, Romney, DeMint, and the Heritage Foundation is not going to work according to self-proclaimed conservatives, are they ready to try the pragmatic approach that has actually effectively covered everyone at far lower cost elsewhere?

Obama's major mistakes were going along with the conservatives, and allowing their plan to be attributed to him. The wacko birds begin frothing whenever America's twice-elected President's name is mentioned.

I expect they'll merely persist in their vapid bellywhinging, offer no actual alternative, and we'll see if it matches its success in Massachusetts. If not, the paradigm of advanced nations is still on the table.

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Still not talking about healthcare but insurance. Besides, if you remember it was the media that blamed republicans but the democrats would not negotiate at all and were very willing to shut down the government because they knew they have the media in their pocket.

 

It absolutely does. America has infinite access to OPEC oil, because the value of it is represented in U.S. dollars. Guess who is the sole creater of U.S. dollars?

Blah blah blah. Conservatives are terrible with anything pertaining to economics, math, science, higher learning, or critical thinking.

The cost of the resource IS the value of the resource. Money is just the method of measurement. Resources dominate human society. The current resource is oil, plain and simple.

ACA originated in the Conservative Heritage Foundation, try again.

Key point there. Macroeconomics relies on elasticity.

Inflation is the tamest it has ever been. Your argument is what?

There is no money shortage... money is an illusion. It is a measuring tool. It is analogous to a yard or foot.

You clearly have never left this country. The rest of the world thinks American conservatives are nuts. You guys play to your identity well, I must say.

 

You make really good points.

 

Sure, after their medical condition becomes acute because they couldn't see a doctor before hand, they go and clog up emergency rooms and run up huge costs.

Hell of a way to run a business.

 

Glad to see that you finally understand who THOSE people were that I was referring to.

I just wonder why it took you a couple of tries?

 

They will continue to do that anyway because they cannot afford the deductibles. Nothing will change.

 

Copay for doctor checkups is little or nothing.

 

That is for things like office visits. Do you understand what a deductible is? For those that cannot afford much will get the highest deductibles and will avoid services to avoid paying the deductible. They will still end up going to the emergency room when they get sick.

 

Sure. Do you understand what a checkup is? They can get one for virtually nothing and find and treat problems without an emergency room visit.

 

The real reason the GOP hates the Affordable Care Act is because it serves poor people. You see, it's just like the automatic guaranteed insurance to farmers through the farm bill, except that subsidy caters to farmers. But, they both work the same way. The only difference is, one's a farm bill and the other is healthcare. The GOP likes the farm bill, but not the ACA. Go figure!

 

High deductibles are for major expenses such as a hospital visit. High deductible plans are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than traditional PPO plans. Would you rather pay $8,000 / year in premiums, or $4,000 in premiums and with a $4,000 deductible?

What the conservative brain doesn't understand is that the deductible is the out of pocket MAX, that usually is only met if you have a surgery or extended hospital visit. People rarely go to the hospital in their first 60 or so years of life. The extent of medical services is usually an annual check up and the occasional "I'm sick" visit. Even if the doctor visit runs $200 a pop, you are looking at paying $400 out of pocket, which is much less than pissing away that money every month to higher premiums.

The real kicker is how the conservatives continue to attack the poor in the ACA for "mooching" or "redistributing wealth." ACA should be praised in this regard, because everyone is MANDATED to pay for health insurance, either through a plan or the "tax penalty." So, you're mad that the poor are contributing now? They weren't before...

Keep moving the goal posts further and further right.



I hope Obama and the Dems completely exterminate GOP within the next 10 years. I'm sick of the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) double standards.

 

The people that I know that have been knocked off their plans now have deductibles that are from twice as much to six times as much.

 

It doesn't matter. Higher deductible is a cheaper plan. Read the fine print and invest in a calulator. "OMG $8,000 deductible!" just doesn't cut it. Higher deductible is lower premiums. Lower deductible is higher premiums. Higher premiums means the former plan was a piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) to begin with.

 

Here are more reason to oppose Obamacare and repeal it

The cost to taxpayers and jobs