Let's talk water

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  1. Dingo

    Dingo New Member

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    Some interesting points although I would quibble with some of them. Certainly there is plenty in there to describe how denial of basic reality in order to stay in some traditional comfort zone has influenced the downfall of various civilizations. We have our climate denialists as exhibit A.
     
  2. Earthling

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    To anyone who is unable to write a post without using "deny, denial, denier, denialist" or similar, please don't expect a fair response from me.

    What are sceptics "denying," exactly?

    1. Sceptics don't "deny"climate, therefore cannot be "climate deniers."
    2. Sceptics don't "deny" that climate changes, therefore cannot be "climate change deniers."
    3. Sceptics don't "deny" that Earth has warmed by 0.74º C over the last 162 years, therefore cannot be "global warming deniers."
    4. Sceptics don't "deny" that climate science exists, therefore cannot be "climate science deniers."
    5. Sceptics don't "deny" that CO2 can cause a small amount of warming, therefore cannot be "anthropogenic global warming deniers."
    6. Sceptics don't "deny" anything, we're sceptical of the inaccurate figures bandied about by alarmists and very sceptical of the scary catastrophe stories about everything and anything to do with climate.
    We're also justifiably sceptical of computer models.

    So, catastrophists, man up and spill the beans, what do you believe sceptics are actually "denying," if you know, of course?
     
  3. Dingo

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    One can debate whether fracking is causing the pollution of the ground water but one thing that appears beyond debate is fracking requires the use of a lot of water and often in areas that are already overdrawn.

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/02/05-9

     
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    Congratulations on managing to write a post that didn't include any of the denier words!

    Farming uses a lot of water unnecessarily, so do most people.
     
  5. Dingo

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    I use them where appropriate.

    When you come up with a drip watering equivalent in fracking let us know.
     
  6. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Global groundwater map developed...
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    New Map Shows Earth's Stash of Groundwater
    November 17, 2015 — The first map showing the world's hidden groundwater was published on Monday, bringing us closer to estimating how much there is, and when it will run out if we over-use the resource.
     
  7. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    I think it's parts of the Central Valley in CA which are dropping one foot per year in elevation due to the depletion of the aquifers.

    http://mavensnotebook.com/2013/11/2...t-discusses-subsidence-in-the-central-valley/

    Aquifers only serve those within the distribution range of any given aquifer so they don't provide much help in the broader sense of population and development. But because the aquifers exist, in those areas, it has encouraged more and more development, all of which consume more water than can be replenished so it's just a matter of time before problems arise.

    In this case, math and science tell the entire story; Increasing population and development, with finite and declining potable water supplies, equals disaster. The level of disaster depends on one's location. Some are already in trouble and it's just a matter of time before the masses begin to feel the pinch.

    I continue to believe a great civil engineering project for the US is to create 1000's more fresh water reservoirs, most of which can create hydroelectric power, most of which will help replenish aquifers, and distribute these water supplies via pipe and canal to all areas. In parallel, along all ocean shores, we should develop efficient desalination processes and distribute as necessary. All of this helps solve water issues, creates middle-class paying jobs for decades to come, encourages development and population distribution in rural areas, and can be achieved with government partnering with private sector...
     
  8. jc456

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    hahahhahahhaahaha that's always been that way. You should actually do some research, it makes you look small.
     
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    holy crap, things we didn't know, we all didn't know there wasn't water in the desert. And in the rain forest there is water. wow what technology.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting to know....especially considering the fact that most of the Chemicals found in this water did not exist until we humans created them....but I guess they have "Always" existed and water "Always" lit on fire. Golly...I need to read more.
     
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    exactly right, the gas in that water has been there the entire time that faucet was there.

    But nice try blaming fracking. not.
     
  12. livefree

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    The out-of-touch-with-reality ravings of the hard core denier cult dingbat and fossil fuel industry stooge. Hilarious.
     

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