The Ukraine – Where's Our Commander-in-Chief?

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  1. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We've got no business getting involved in the Ukraine situation; let Britain or France deal with it for a change. This is why half the world hates us and the other half laughs at us; we're always sticking our nose into where it doesn't belong. I'm tired of the US being the worlds policeman.
     
  2. Not The Guardian

    Not The Guardian Well-Known Member

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    Oh puhleeze. You guys have been waving the Pootin flag for months now.
     
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  4. AtsamattaU

    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    It's not as bad as so many of you make it out to be. The U.S.'s influence may not satisfy the warmongers' hard-ons for conflict and nationalistic chest-thumping, but our current methods will make us far more effective and respected in the long run.
     
  5. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a cheap cop out. This isn't a matter of 'world police' there are in fact treaties in place specifically regarding the US, Russia, Ukraine, the UK and the potential for this very situation. Who signed that treaty for the US? Oh, right Bill Clinton. So Russia challenges it in the same week Obama and crew call for cutting down our army to pre-WWII levels. Russia's response, invading a sovereign nation and demanding appeasement...

    Claims that Obama would be criticized for any action are a bit disingenuous. We have no treaties that would call for us to draw red lines in the sand in Syria, yet that's what Obama did, there is definitely room for criticism there. Obama wanted to play world police in Libya, without Congressional consent, again no binding treaties for that action, and again room for criticism. Need we mention the massively expanded drone program into sovereign nations? Need there be mention of many other actions Obama has taken?

    This whole 'oh poor Obama' is going to be criticized for anything he does is getting old, we've already seen plenty of what he has done and much of it deserves or demands criticism...
     
  6. Radio Refugee

    Radio Refugee New Member

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    He's where he always is, doing what he always does, promoting the Obama Doctrine:

    Embolden our enemies. Alienate our allies. Diminish our country.

    He's expert at those things only.
     
  7. longknife

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    My post had nothing to do with "policing the world"!! :steamed:

    If you had bothered to pay attention to it, it clearly displayed Obama's view on what his job is - not what it should be. He finds other things more important than acting as the Commander-in-Chief and Chief Executive of the United States of America.

    I know there are those who claim an executive should delegate authority and I agree. But NOT when it comes to informing oneself on possible problems that will affect those you are responsible for.

    IMHO, we have absolutely NO business intervening in any way in this matter. If the Ukraine's neighbors find a reason to intervene, that THEIR business -- not ours!!! :salute:
     
  8. Indymom

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    Well, looks like Obama has managed to create a nightmare at home and now nightmare abroad by losing the US all credibility and superpower status, and now Putin will go unchecked. All because elected ourselves a superstar!
     
  9. AtsamattaU

    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    What the hell treaty are you talking about? The Budapest Memorandum? The "agreement" that Russia already violated? There is nothing in there that says we should be going to war over what's happened so far.
     
  10. Goodoledays

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    :alcoholic:Thats ok. I do the same to any lefty posts I read. Your nitwit leader trained you well.
     
  11. Goodoledays

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    :smile:Big misstep? Yep...nothing new.
     
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    :roflol:You lefties just hate the truth. Really hurts when it hits you in the face doesn't it? Don't worry...theres more to come.
     
  13. L Bo

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    This is the typical Obamabot response when Obama digs himself, as well the country, into a hole on the world stage.

    How do you respond when someone else puts you in checkmate? Lets rewind a little, look at the bigger picture how we got here to begin with. Do you need to be reminded of Obama's comments to the PM when Obama was caught off mic telling him to tell Putin to "wait until after the election" and let Putin know "I will have more flexibility"? Do you remember the pressures Putin put on Obama over the New START treaty? Obama reneged on the promises to the people of Poland and Czech Republic for the missile defense shield. Why? Because Putin told him too. What about the UK where Putin wanted Obama to hand over their Nuclear secrets with regard to their missiles. While Obama has gone around alienating our allies in the world at the request of Putin, Putin has been getting cozy with our adversaries such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, China, and a host of others. Obama has done nothing more in the last 5 years other than enabling Putin.

    And you ask, "what should he do now"????? I think you need to wake up, step back, and see the bigger picture at play. Obama should quit being Putins lap dog, he should shut his mouth and quit making stupid threats he can not back up. Because of past actions Obama is a paper tiger, not only appears to be weak but is. Putin is walking all over him and our country as a result. Do you need to be reminded of how Putin won over Obama concerning Syria? Same stupid red line, like the lines he and the administration is again talking about in Ukraine. Oh and Syria still has chemical weapons and Assad.
     
  14. Goodoledays

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    :roflol:Yah. But shes not leading our country. Its your nitwit leader that is. Only thing is its from behind.
     
  15. Goodoledays

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    :eekeyes:Its not that. Its he shouldn't make treats he can't back up. He not only makes himself look bad and weak he makes our country that way too. He needs to keep his trap shut.
     
  16. little voice

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    IT IS THIS

    But if someone is biased For political reasons They will be critical Of every action or inaction the president would take
     
  17. little voice

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    i believe
    you would complain if he did somthing
     
  18. little voice

    little voice New Member

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    a bit disingenuous .?
    have you been reading right wing posts on the internet
     
  19. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, disingenuous, its the right word for it.
     
  20. AtsamattaU

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    Typical of the President haters is to immediately resort to namecalling and baseless labeling.

    If you know anything about chess, then you know there is no response to "checkmate," the game is over then. But we are not in "checkmate," or even in "check." The President-haters are doing their best to blow this out of proportion, even using game analogies they don't understand.

    What you don't understand is that Putin doesn't really have a whole lot to lose. He's like the short stack at the final poker table. If you start calling the short stack's bets just because having him at the table is annoying, then you're going to make bad decisions.

    It's all an ego trip with you guys. You're more impressed by a political leader who takes publicity photos of himself shirtless riding horseback than you are by a leader who knows how to play the long game. What specific "stupid threats" can he not back up? What "red line" did he set? If you step outside of the President-bashing cult, you'll find that those accusations are baseless.
     
  21. AtsamattaU

    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    What threats has he issued that he can't back up? Please name one.
     
  22. Goodoledays

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    How about not to cross the line. It only took him 3 minutes to do so...and then it was off to campaign for funds. I bet when he made the threat his fingers were crossed. Either that or his eyes.
     
  23. fiddlerdave

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    Note how the Righties don't actually post what Obama actually said because the actual words would make their contention Obama "drew red lines in the sand" look idiotic.

     
  24. wyly

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    if it were only that simple, any action the usa takes needs to be coordinated first with EU allies, it's the EU which bears the brunt of an economic action taken against russia...if the usa acts alone it risks isolating itself if the EU doesn't cooperate, the usa is impotent in this situation without the EU ...
     
  25. Lunchboxxy

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    Ha Hahahahaha! The single most pathetic post ever posted. Hey, if you don't have real solutions just throw as many straw men out there as you can and light em on fire.
     

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