PolitiFact: Only 22% of Obama's Listed Comments Rated as True

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  1. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    And you're not too good at reading the article.
     
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    I'm surprised it's that high. Diamond in the rough that Obama!
     
  3. SFJEFF

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    But this thread is about Politifact- you cited Politifact. And you have previously claimed that only a 'left wing hack' would cite Politifact.

    Were you lying then? Or are you a left wing hack? Or maybe a right wing hack?

    Or maybe this whole thread is just an admission that your original claim was just partisan posturing.
     
  4. way2convey

    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    Dead wrong, the thread is not "about" politifact, or me.
     
  5. dujac

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    we've been criticizing something you said, not you

    just admit the comment you made is a hypocritical viewpoint

    it's relevant to showing that the claim you made in the op isn't accurate
     
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    Here is the title of the thread- the title you created:

    PolitiFact: Only 22% of Obama's Listed Comments Rated as True

    But this thread is about Politifact- you cited Politifact. And you have previously claimed that only a 'left wing hack' would cite Politifact.

    Were you lying then? Or are you a left wing hack? Or maybe a right wing hack?

    Or maybe this whole thread is just an admission that your original claim was just partisan posturing.
     
  7. 1wiseguy

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    No, the thread is NOT about a source (Politifact) and it is not about any post the OP made on some other thread. If you can't address the topic you are free to go and create your own thread.
     
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    Which of those were the President of the United States of America when lying?
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Reading your rants, it seems the thread is about the OP, not what he typed.
     
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    Which ones want to be President?
     
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    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    Why does that matter. These are all people running our government. I don't appreciate Obama lying. Why do you excuse republican lies?
     
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    When one of them becomes president, then it will be relevant.
     
  13. dujac

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    Scott Walker? 10%
    Ted Cruz? 3%
    Chris Christie? 22%
    John Boehner? 27%
    Mitch McConnell? 13%
    Mitt Romney? 15%
    Ron Paul? 18%

    that's a good one


    yea, i'm sure their personality will completely change after being sworn in
     
  14. Casper

    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Wrong. The right whines that Obama is a liar, then ignores the fact that their favorites have an even worse record of lieing, yet it does not matter until After they get elected? First off most of them are already elected officials, no problem there either eh? Jeeeez, listen to yourself.
     
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    22% completely true, + 24% rated mostly true, and +27% half true. Obama is mostly true 46% of the time and at least half true 73% of the statements rated.

    27% are rated mostly false, or lies.

    Let's compare this the last two Republican nominees, shall we?

    Mitt Romney - 41% rated false or lies.
    John McCain - 44% rated false or lies.

    Looks like we made the right choice, if not the lessor of two evils.

    And then, let's look at some other Republican leaders:

    Sarah Palin - 53% rated false or lies.
    Rick Perry - 37% rated false or lies.
    Herman Cain - 68% rated false or lies.
    John Boehner - 53% rated false or lies.
    Mitch Mcconnell - 44% rated false or lies.
    Michelle Bachmann - 75% rated false or lies (including whopping 27% "pants on fire")

    Looks like we made the best pick of the litter with Obama.
     
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    I don't excuse anyone lying.

    (You were the one who rushed to find a list of Republicans to use as some sort of defense, not me). oops.

    I just wonder why people throw out of Republican names, every time Obama is called out on something. Like you did.
    (at least you didn't use Bush, as is most often the case).

    Seems a very strange, although expected, defense mechanism.

    Does the president not owe the people more than when he's not president?
    Rhetorical... of course he does.

    He's is the world representative of our country....Chris Christie isn't.
    So to answer your silly question... that is why it matters.

    How that's dismissed so easily, I have no idea.
     
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    A little late. Someone else beat you to it. And like ALL liberals posting to this thread you've totally missed the point.
     
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    It's not a "miss"... it's intentional. It's a failed attempt at redirection.

    Only one person in this entire discussion is the President of the United States, and is watched by leaders all over the world, as he represents the American people.
     
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    I have the point perfectly. According to your own methodology, conservative leaders are far bigger liars than Obama.

    If truthfulness is the concern, we made the best choice with Obama.

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    And if that one person were not Obama, we'd have a bigger liar in the WH, using the OP methodology.
     
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    our point is that your point is wrong

    it's just wrong-headed political rhetoric from the right
     
  21. way2convey

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    Oh, stop the BS. If I had used the NYT as a source it doesn't make thread ABOUT the NYT, does it? Hell no! Grow up.
     
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    You were the one who decided to make this thread about Politifact in the very title of the thread

    Here is the title of the thread- the title you created:

    PolitiFact: Only 22% of Obama's Listed Comments Rated as True

    The thread therefore is about Politifact- you cited Politifact. And you have previously claimed that only a 'left wing hack' would cite Politifact.

    Were you lying then? Or are you a left wing hack? Or maybe a right wing hack?

    Or maybe this whole thread is just an admission that your original claim was just partisan posturing.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Well I am trying to ascertain whether his point is that Politifact is a good source- since he cites it to support this thread- or not a good source- like he had previously said.
     
  23. AmericanNationalist

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    This. It's a well-known fact that Democrats/Republicans alike lie or mislead the public. That's NOT the issue. The issue is: How do we fix it? How do we restore public faith and trust in our government? How do we hold our representatives to account? This could've really been a positive topic if some didn't inject their partisanship to protect the President.

    The President's in charge of protecting his own record. We're charged with cultivating the best political system possible, for the best representation possible.(Hell, I've long believed that the U.S Citizens should be representative of themselves, instead of lazily sending someone else to do our jobs for us.).

    What if we incorporated the U.K's "no confidence" vote? Currently, the bastards are guaranteed a job until the term ends. What if they could be removed before then? No longer is there a guarantee, and god forbid it: They actually have to do their job! And partly, it's our fault: State-wise and national-wise we elect some of these people with poor resumes, simply because they have an R or a D next to their name.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_of_no_confidence#United_States

    Here way, I added my 2 cents to bring the topic back to its relevancy :).
     
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    In fact, if we use the OP's methodology as the test, it looks like Republicans lie much more than Democrats:


    Obama - 27% are rated mostly false, or lies.

    Mitt Romney - 41% rated mostly false or lies.
    John McCain - 44% rated mostly false or lies.
    Sarah Palin - 53% rated mostly false or lies.
    Rick Perry - 37% rated mostly false or lies.
    Herman Cain - 68% rated mostly false or lies.
    John Boehner - 53% rated mostly false or lies.
    Mitch Mcconnell - 44% rated mostly false or lies.
    Michelle Bachmann - 75% rated mostly false or lies (including whopping 27% "pants on fire")

    You don't think the OP was a wee bit partisan posting the stats on the president while ignoring the far worse figures for leading Republicans?

    How would you do it with a bi-camera legislation? Does the House or Senate get to make the confidence vote? If both, do you apportion the vote in some way?

    Here way, I added my 2 cents to bring the topic back to its relevancy :).[/QUOTE]
     
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    nancy pelosi tells the truth only 8% of the time...
     

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