More bad news for the economy

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  1. Pronin24

    Pronin24 New Member

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    I see the solution in cutting down the military and abandoning "geopolitical" ambitions. This is from 19th century. Better invest more money in improving infrastructure, education and environment. Drones and long range missiles help, but no more boots on the ground is needed.
     
  2. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    the reference i provided shows that i do
     
  3. Str8Edge

    Str8Edge New Member

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    Perhaps you should read YOUR OWN definition again? :roflol:
     
  4. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    i can see you're confused, that's not my definition

    it comes from a valid reference, so just admit you are completely wrong

    and take some economics classes so you'll have a clue about such things


    here another source


    All Tax Plans Are Wealth Redistribution

    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/all-tax-plans-are-wealth-redistribution

    google: taxes are redistribution of wealth and you can see over 20 million results
     
  5. Mich2010

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    Is the total government employment just Federal employees Federal, state and local employees?
     
  6. Mich2010

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  7. Str8Edge

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    YOUR definition PROVED my point. Go READ it again..... :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
  8. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    all you're doing is showing you don't know what you're talking about
     
  9. Str8Edge

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    Dude..... You provided a definition that stated EXACTLY what I did.......

    Taxes either:

    A. Go to pay for legitimate government services such as those specifically enumerated within the constitution.......

    B. Are taken by government force from those who earn and handed to someone who didn't earn......

    A Does not redistribute wealth

    B. Does redistribute wealth from one citizen to another

    I can't put it any plainer than that.
     
  10. dujac

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    the facts say you're wrong
     
  11. Str8Edge

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    Go read your OWN definition AGAIN.... :roflol:

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    wealth or property from some individuals to others

    When taxes do the above it's wealth redistribution. This isn't rocket science here......
     
  12. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    look kid, i started studying economics, finance, accounting and such, over thirty years ago

    you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, you know it, i know it and any anybody with business education knows it
     
  13. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes in effect you did when asked who decides what a fair share, a fair tax rate is you said the IRS which is utter nonsense.

    Again

    Define what is a citizens "fair share" of taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by dujac View Post
    the irs has already done that
     
  14. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    only in your mind, in fact i said nothing about setting any rate
     
  15. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    What austerity?

    "One of the President's more amusing fiscal sleights-of-hand is his claim that the federal government has been enduring "austerity." Taxpayers should be so lucky. The nearby table shows the arc of tax revenues and spending during the Obama Presidency, and you can see they are both up. Washington has rarely had it so good.

    The feds spent $2.98 trillion in 2008 and Mr. Obama is proposing to spend $1 trillion more than that in fiscal 2015. The Pelosi-Obama stimulus blew out the bank in 2009-2011, the GOP House imposed a modicum of restraint in the next two years, but Mr. Obama is going back to the Pelosi future from here on out."

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    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...9419621354912840.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
     
  16. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    No in your words.

    Again

    Define what is a citizens "fair share" of taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by dujac View Post
    the irs has already done that

    The IRS only enforces tax rates, it doesn't set them.

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    ROFL he seems to be debating himself!
     
  17. dujac

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    they provide the rates and schedules to the public, so you're wrong

    the bottom line is that i didn't say the irs sets tax rates, like you're alleging



    notice how i provided a link to a reference that refuted what he said

    my assertion is correct, taxation is a form of wealth redistribution



     
  18. Bluesguy

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    They don't set them, define the, they only enforce them, stop digging your hole, your statement was nonsense.

    You said they define what everyone's fair share is, that is done by setting tax rates, defining them, and the IRS does not set tax rates. No matter how much you try to twist out of it now.
     
  19. dujac

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    which is why i didn't say they set rates

    no, you misunderstood, the irs provides rates and schedules
     
  20. Str8Edge

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    Then you should be smart enough to know you gave a definition which is exactly what I posted. Now you're desperately flailing away to "save face".

    Flail away! :roflol:

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    Sums it up. Obviously attempting to deflect from the thread I guess.
     
  21. Str8Edge

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    I NEVER posted that SOME taxation isn't wealth redistribution.........It OBVIOUSLY is when it's TAKEN FROM ONE WHO EARNS BY GOVERNMENT FORCE AND HANDED TO ANOTHER WHO DIDN'T...... WHICH HAS BEEN THE SAME POINT YOU'VE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO DENY FOR PAGES....... :roflol:
     
  22. Hard-Driver

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    And... that would make his GDP growth significantly better than Bush's 1.7% using republican policies.... and Bush's was propped up by $1 Trillion in home equity extraction during the housing bubble, increased borrowing and decreased saving, as well as significant increases in government spending.

    Obama has grown GDP just as much, and more recently, and done so with Americans reducing their debt, increasing their savings, shrinking government spending, and reducing deficits....

    I say the winner in this comparison is President Obama. By the time President Obama leaves office, he will certainly beat Bush II and probably beat Bush I.

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    And the Cons yell Yeah.
     
  24. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes you did, when you said they decide what is a fair share of taxes for you to pay.

    No I didn't, I corrected your incorrect statement. You said they define what everyone's fair share is, that is done by setting tax rates, defining them, and the IRS does not set tax rates. No matter how much you try to twist out of it now.
     
  25. dujac

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    that's a lie, i didn't say that, you did

    you insinuated that taxation isn't a transfer of wealth, it is
     

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