Gay and Lesbian Rights do not exist ,they are lifestyle choice not Sexual orientation

Yes ,it is ok to be choose to be living a "Gay and lesbian ' lifestyle ,very middle class wanky ,but hey each to his or her own .

But as its a totally personal choice like ,Smoking or not .

It isn't a civil right ,well only as far as the right to choose a ridiculous cliche' lifestyle of the middle class ridiculous type.

Whereas we must always remember not to confuse the "Gay and lesbian' lifestyle choice ,with Homosexuality which is objectively determined by nature at birth and not a choice at all ,so are we clear now .

Gay and lesbian are lifestyle choices whereas sexual orientation is completely different .

Bashing or attacking people for either is unacceptable ,so is throwing ones lifestyle choices into other peoples faces.

And as far as teaching lifestyle choices in schools I am totally opposed to that ,Gay and lesbian should be banned from any school ciriculum .

Homosexuality in sex education absolutely ,but sexuality isn't a life style choice ,gay and lesbian ARE!

 

Please note that Gay and lesbian [please exclude Bisexual as that is a sexuality]transexual ,yep ,Transexual is not a sexual orientation in itself as all Transexuals are either ,Homosexual,bisexual or hetrosexual and as they are Hetrosexual then they must be excluded as well ,leaving the Anti-hetrosexual alliance ,gay and Lesbian .

It all started in the 1980's,such a Gay decade ,and didn't include Lesbian until the 1990's,and what it discribes is a PURELY political construction of the stupidist type.Yep,makes Mitt Romney look principled.

so before one chooses to be GAY and LESBIAN ,as distinct from without choice ,being Homosexual for instance or Bisexual for that matter[we are born that way.]

It is totally a political decision ,Gay and lesbian ,totally subjectively determined so therefore a lifestyle choice and nothing moreb .

now in order to cover over this FACT,the gay and lesbian "Community" a political formation ,and nothing else ,attempt to put forward that its just a matter of semantics ,or word form .

lets have look shall we apply a critical political eye?

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...hp24Aw&usg=AFQjCNFLM_DpsSX7jd9OfPAf9-CEq4QLOA

And what do we find "gender and sexual identity Politics "just as rotten and putrid as other forms of identity politics ,like Racism ,religious ,Ethnic Identity politics.

Nothing progressive or democratic about it ,and that can be shown by the total lack of any tradition .the LGBT could be equated as hetrosexual discrimination which can not be democratic now can it ,gay and lesbian means biggotry and predjudice ,Hetrophobia is equal to Homophobia and thats not equality at all ,now is it .?

And as far as "sexual and gender based culture' please someone defend this trash!, sorry next they will be saying that their is a white culture and black culture and ect .....

No kiddies the dominant culture is Capitialist money Culture ,its the Middle class rubbish of Multi-culturalism that they earn a pretty penny from that we are dealing with .$14 000 000 from the NSW government annually ,and thats just one gravy train of the LGBT called ACON Health pty ltd,formally the Aids council of NSW,yep these gay and lesbian maggots, steal money earmarked for hiv\aids sufferers.Real nice that ,ANY GAY AND LESBIANS want to talk about it ????no never hey!


True human Culture is UNI-culture not muti-culture or as the Lesbians and gays fools want ,Mono-culture.

Homosexuality is just that ,part of the sexual uniculture, as defined by Human sexuality .Which unify's homosexuality ,Bisexuality and hetrosexualality in a UNIFIED HUMAN SEXUAL CULTURE ,thats UNIFIED HUMAN ,not divided separate MONOCULTURE which can never exist within a Social humanity.

lesbian and Gay Fascism is still Fascism,MONOCULTURE gives it away .

 

I'm a little confused about what you are trying to say

 

no one is born "Gay or Lesbian"you have to decide to identify that way its a lifestyle choice ,as distinct from ,the natural evolutionary sexual orientations that all humans are born with .

homosexuality has been part of human society like forever,whereas "gay" particularly started in 1980's,when i was a kid in the 60s and 70's gay meant happy or happy and had the meaning of being happy ,we were Gay back then and no-one thought anything of it."A gay time was had by all " was a common saying .


Homosexuality is a normal sexual orientation ,"Gay " is a political construct of the liberal Radicals its called gender and sexual identity Politics full stop ,and you choose your politics don't you? ,essentially you can be homosexual without being 'Gay'.

In fact most homosexuals Hate the term "Gay"as being a term describing them.Yes ,homosexuals can be " GAY" haters like me.

I respect and defend my homosexual brothers and sisters always against Discrimination and persecution,its a natural human thing to be .

The ,"Gay" life style ,is middle class exclusive , with Sunday meetings at the local latest coffee shop ,as we go down to purchase our louis vitton or whatever latest fashion that is deemed acceptable by the Gay crowd ,and my Gay friends who meet the gay criteria ,yes you know them . Oh and the constant preening and need to be a beautiful person ,yep Gay=narsascist,hey," look at me and how special and Gay I am"types.

Oh and to be "Gay ' like really "Gay' always requires some fashion and the right place to be seen at !

Oh and never mention That nasty ,Aids stuff around them because they will go rabid then,nothing nasty is allowed in the Middle class gay lifestyle ,oh and i must have my non gay friends around for canape's,got the type yet ?


oh i am sorry ,they all pick this crap up at university BTW,usually in a sociology course of course.As they get told Gay is special and gay is good.

We used to call them the "Scene Queens" as a way of separating them from the Homosexual community .Middle class wankers can also be used.

And just to finish ,you do not know the Homosexuals that are in your life unless they declear it to you ,whereas you can see a Lesbian [they all dress a certain way and have that harsh male type demeaner BY CHOICE,and if you can't spot a Gay then get your gaydar reset ,they talk walk and act and dress in very proscribed ways.

Hey ,at least the lesbians who go out the way to look Male ,at least the "Dyke'Identifers do .i find them crude rude and very unattractive.Austere even .devoid and conciously so, of showing any public femininity .Whereas you don't know a homosexual women until decleared to you.

 

When did you choose to be straight?

 

Never and thats my point !

my sexuality is well human and no other.what is straight?

Unbent,uncurved ,whats a curved sexuality?

Is that like gravity and space\time,open a dictionary ,and Spike Milligans 'Aldolf hilter and my part in his downfall 'is a modern comedy classic my top 10 anyway parts 1,2 and 3.BTW,and in rememberance of the late a great spike lets go Goon on them.GOON .goon ,gone ,Goon.i miss him so much the world is so much more serious since his parting.


What is a straight ,oh you mean hetrosexual ,oh don't get me wrong and assume nothing ,i am trying to get "B" Bisexual out of the LGBTIQAPC debacle of gobbly goog ,me be Bisexual You are either ,and i include all humanity bar no-one ,homosexual ,bisexual ,Hetrosexual and as far as sexuality nothing else ,if i am wrong then tell me the other?

so lets overthrow ,the Lgbtiqapc and go back to just HBH.saves ink if nothing else .


gay,straight,Bi ,homo ,hetro,poof,Lesbian ,queer ,ect ect ...blah blah blah lets have a good Fornication and smile have a cigarett and move on <HELLO everyone WW3 is upon us dead humans don't have sex ,is necrophilia a sexual orientation hey ,its now ,LGBTIQAPNC the anti- living hetrosexual alliance.Would a Gay necrophilliac use the dead body of a hetrosexual ,ANY Gay People please your opinion.lol.is it acceptable for a gay necrophilliac to use a dead hetrosexuals body ?

LGBTIAPQC could we have a ruling please?

maybe we could abreviate it as the AHBA,Anti hetrosexual Biggots Alliance now if we could just find a b word for hetro sexual ,we could have ABBA!

 

If homosexual people are HUMAN beings, they have rights. From all I've read, seen and experienced... they are indeed human.

Sexual-orientation is not some "lifestyle"; the most credible science to date tends to indicate that one's sexuality is not a conscious choice.

A sexual ACT is typically a choice, but not the thing(s) one is sexually attracted to.

 

So do you choose to be straight everyday?

 

exactly, people say it's a choice, but then admit they never were attracted to both sexes to begin with... cause it's not a choice.. well except for bi-sexuals, they do have a bigger sea or partners to choose from

 

Only 32% of gays are born gay.
The other 68% are sucked into it.

 

So when and why did you choose to be heterosexual?

Answer that truthfully and you have your answer. Sexuality to the greatest degree is not a choice.

 

Wow. Banned. That was quick. It's a shame - sometimes the ones truly frothing at the mouth are the most fun to argue with.

 

Excuse me for supporting my Comrade here ,we comrades think Scientifically.

How is ones Sexuality expressed outside Acts of sexuality ,otherwise how would we know?

What other "sexuality's" exist ,outside of Homosexual ,Bisexual Heterosexual or Neuter?

Sorry don't see no Lesbian or gay ,and even if I grant Slang terms ,gutter speak ,to mean ,Homosexual Man and Homosexual Woman ,gee, PLEASE note Post structuralist ,HOMOSEXUAL IS THE DESCRIPTION OF SEXUALITY <with gender secondary!

Lesbian and Gay denote POLITICS ,everyone CHOOSES ,their Politics ,eg ,I chose to be a Revolutionary Communist Worker.

Barak Obama decided to be a Reactionary War criminal for US Imperialism ,a Liberal!



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The fascist danger in Ukraine

6 March 2014

A politically sinister propaganda offensive is underway in the media to either deny the involvement of fascists in the US-backed coup in Ukraine or present their role as a marginal and insignificant detail.

The New York Times, for example, asserted, &#8220;Putin&#8217;s claim of an immediate threat to Ukrainian Russians is empty,&#8221; while Britain&#8217;s Guardian dismissed as a &#8220;fancy&#8221; claims that events in Crimea were an attempt to &#8220;prevent attacks by bands of revolutionary fascists,&#8221; adding that &#8220;the world&#8217;s media has [not] yet seen or heard from&#8221; such forces.

This is an obscene cover-up.

The reality is that, for the first time since 1945, an avowedly anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi party controls key levers of state power in a European capital, courtesy of US and European imperialism. The unelected Ukrainian government, headed by US appointee Arseniy Yatsenyuk, includes no fewer than six ministers from the fascist Svoboda party.

Less than a year ago, the World Jewish Congress called for Svoboda to be banned. But the party&#8217;s founder and leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, who has spoken repeatedly of his determination to crush the &#8220;Russkie-Yid mafia that controls Ukraine,&#8221; was feted by US and European Union officials as they prepared last month&#8217;s coup.

Following the 2010 conviction of John Demjanjuk as an accomplice in the murder of nearly 30,000 people in the Nazi concentration camp at Sobibor, Tyahnybok called him a hero. Tyahnybok&#8217;s deputy, Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn, founded a think tank called the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.

Svoboda was the major political force in the Maidan protests that overthrew Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych. In return for providing the shock troops for the coup, it has been given control of vital ministries.

Svoboda co-founder Andriy Parubiy acted as &#8220;security commandant&#8221; in the protests, directing attacks by the Right Sector&#8212;an alliance of fascists and extreme right-wing nationalists, including the paramilitary Ukrainian National Assembly-Ukrainian National Self Defense (UNA-UNSO). Dressed in uniforms modelled on Hitler&#8217;s Waffen SS, its members boast of fighting Russia in Chechnya, Georgia and Afghanistan.

Parubiy is now secretary of the National Security and Defence Council, overseeing the Defence Ministry and the armed forces. Dmytro Yarosh, leader of the Right Sector, is his deputy.

Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych is another leading Svoboda figure, as is Oleh Makhnitsky (prosecutor-general), Serhiy Kvit (Education Minstry), Andriy Makhnyk (Ecology Ministry) and Ihor Shvaiko (Agriculture Ministry).

Others reportedly connected to UNA-UNSO are Dmytro Bulatov (youth and sports minister) and the &#8220;activist&#8221; journalist Tetyana Chernovol, who was named chair of the government&#8217;s anti-corruption committee.

The hero of Svoboda and UNA-UNSO is the Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, leader of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (OUN), which aided the Nazis in horrific massacres of the Jewish population.

In 2010, Svoboda&#8217;s official forum posted a statement reading: &#8220;To create a truly Ukrainian Ukraine in the cities of the East and South&#8230;we will need to cancel parliamentarism, ban all political parties, nationalise the entire industry, all media, prohibit the importation of any literature to Ukraine from Russia...completely replace the leaders of the civil service, education management, military (especially in the East), physically liquidate all Russian-speaking intellectuals and all Ukrainophobes (fast, without a trial shot. Registering Ukrainophobes can be done here by any member of Svoboda), execute all members of the anti-Ukrainian political parties....&#8221;

One of the first acts of the new government was to abolish minority rights for Russian-speakers. Moves are also afoot to overturn the law that bans &#8220;excusing the crimes of fascism.&#8221;

In recent days, representatives of the Right Sector have been busy attacking Jews, Russian Orthodox Christians and legal figures. Two YouTube videos show a Right Sector leader Aleksandr Muzychko&#8212;who described his credo as fighting &#8220;communists, Jews and Russians for as long as blood flows in my veins&#8221;&#8212;physically attacking a regional prosecutor in Rovno and forcing Rovno regional parliament members to hold a session at gunpoint after he brandished a Kalashnikov, demanding, &#8220;Who wants to take away my machine-gun? Who wants to take away my gun? Who wants to take away my knives? I dare you!&#8221;

The US and European bourgeoisie, along with their media lackeys, are well aware of these facts.

Their attempts to portray the extreme right as a marginalised minority that has emerged almost overnight are equally bogus. There are numerous academic documents that detail the role and significance of the extreme right in Ukraine stretching back decades. They also illustrate how, having first reared its head again in the wake of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the restoration of capitalism, the far right has risen to prominence, its ascendancy prepared ideologically over many years. The rise of the far right accelerated markedly following the Western-orchestrated &#8220;Orange Revolution&#8221; in 2004.

Per Anders Rudling (Organised Anti-Semitism in Contemporary Ukraine: Structure, Influence and Ideology, 2006), cites the critical role played by the Interregional Academy of Human Resources (MAUP), a private university founded in 1989 that &#8220;operates a well-connected political network that reaches the very top of the Ukrainian society.&#8221;

In 2008, the US State Department listed MAUP as &#8220;one of the most persistent anti-Semitic institutions in Eastern Europe.&#8221; Rudling states that MAUP has &#8220;educated more government officials, diplomats and administrators than any other university&#8221; in Ukraine.

MAUP&#8217;s speciality is churning out extreme-right propaganda disguised as academic research portraying Bolshevism and the October revolution as the creations of &#8220;international Jewry.&#8221; On this basis, it asserts that the crimes of the Stalinist dictatorship against the peoples of the Ukraine were part of the same &#8220;Jewish conspiracy.&#8221;

In June 2005, participants at the Fourth World Wide Conference organised by MAUP included David Duke, former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, and the extreme nationalist and former Ukrainian ambassador to Canada, Levko Lukianenko.

Lukianenko presented a paper that argued that the 1932-1933 famine, in which millions of Ukrainians died, was the work of a Jewish-run satanic government. Delegates at the conference called for the deportation of all Jews from the Ukraine.

At the time, Lukianenko was allied with the two leading figures in the Orange Revolution, Viktor Yushchenko and Yulia Tymoshenko. The two were backed by Washington and the European powers as part of a campaign to secure the presidency of Ukraine against the pro-Russian incumbent Viktor Yanukovych.

In January 2005, Yushchenko replaced Yanukovich as president. He was at the time on MAUP&#8217;s board of directors. Lukianenko was part of Tymoshenko&#8217;s electoral bloc. Only weeks before the June 2005 MAUP conference, Yushchenko made Lukianenko a &#8220;Hero of the Ukraine.&#8221;

At the end of 2005, MAUP held a conference under the title &#8220;The Jewish-Bolshevik Revolution of 1917&#8212;the Source of the Red Terrorism and the Starvation of Ukraine.&#8221; Not for nothing does Rudling note, &#8220;In the wake of the Orange Revolution, Ukraine has witnessed a substantial growth in organised anti-Semitism.&#8221;

So great was the stench of fascist reaction that, in July of that year, leading Ukrainian academics issued an appeal for the Orange leaders to disassociate themselves from the &#8220;xenophobic stance&#8221; of MAUP. &#8220;We would like to ask high government officials: at whose cost are these large-scale anti-Semitic campaigns being waged?&#8221; the appeal asked. &#8220;Do we not have a &#8216;fifth column&#8217; that wishes to bring foreign ethno-political conflicts into our territory?&#8221;

The objective of this fifth column was to poison the ideological climate with reaction, as aspiring oligarchs jostled for control of Ukraine&#8217;s resources and the imperialist powers pressed forward with their plans to dominate Ukraine in order to isolate and ultimately colonise Russia.

This is the real record of the reactionary forces that the imperialist powers are aiding and abetting in Ukraine, and on whose behalf they are prepared to plunge Europe, and indeed, the entire world, into a Third World War.

Julie Hyland
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Agree. "Weak souls" follow propaganda-advertisement and unhealthy environmental social conditions, like female shortage or fascism, sexism against males, etc. You can't do anti-propaganda, because you will be called "homophobic", harassed, trolled, etc. They violate freedom of speech all the time, deny your freedom to live in gay-free environment, like it's violates their freedoms. No compromise. So, they are pushing you to be fine with their freedoms and forget about yours... what a hypocrisy!
I hear things like "...you don't want to be about gays, how inhumane you are!!!" , etc. all the time!
In prisons about 70% becoming gay. Sick, unhealthy environment => sick things...

 

Please post source.

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Please post source.

 

Sex in male prisons

Had to use translated Russian wiki article, due to heavy anti-gay bias in US.

There are several souses. In one source it says 85%, in another 55%, depending on country.

The main point is not exact figures. It's a well known fact - that it's significantly rising and it's a prove that it can be greatly(!) manipulated by environment. So, it's not just "I was born this way". It's a prove that it can be manipulated by many many times of that number of "born that way". Sick environment => sick things....

 

Have you considered that perhaps its a cultural difference? I was a civilian facilitator at a State Prison for several years where gays were placed in PC (protective custody) and segregated from the general population for their own safety. Their numbers were extremely small in comparison to the general population.

Also the wiki I reject as a valid source of information as the citations are flawed at best and laughably inept at worst. One source linked me to: http://translate.googleusercontent....ia.ru/&usg=ALkJrhhojU0CKHIWGn9C7cjXSxF_FE5q4w

While another linked me to: http://translate.google.com/transla...=ru&u=http://cripo.com.ua/?sect_id=6&aid=1184

So if you have some non wiki and preferably english source I would like to see it because I do not find the Russian wiki article to be credible.

 

Next you will be saying that Gay and lesbian are Sexualities ,and other stupidities like that!
The words for sexuality do NOT include Gay or Lesbian Radical Liberal Imperialist PC Think!
What is the LGBTIQ? do you know?

 

Really? That's your reply? Not going to address the complete lack of credibility of the link you presented us or give us other sources?

Go back to the guppy pond little fish as you are swimming with a shark... and all the sudden I feel like having me some Sushi...

 

I will assume you haven't gone to high school ,when you do a subject called Biology,which will teach you the truth ,all sexuality falls within Homosexuality ,bisexuality Heterosexuality and asexual.ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET ,NOT I REPEAT NOT GAY or Lesbian ![Political categories ]

Sorry for using science words ,you will be acquainted with Biology in High school .Gay and Lesbian Sexual Identity is like creationism ,of the radical Liberal Milieu.YUKKY!

Simply ,when one writes the word Gay ,it is a POLITICAL MEANBING associated with the Gay and lesbian Rights movement or the LGBT!
Gay and Lesbian =POLITICS not sexual orientation in anyway!

 

Who you have sex with and how are not lifestyle choices because your lifestyle cannot be dictated by what you do in your bedroom (or your dungeon for the kinky ones).
Do you introduce yourself like "hi i am mutmekep and i am a privateer" or "hi i am mutmekep and i let my whip do the flirting" ?

 

Religious freedom does not exist. It's a lifestyle choice. You may have been told that you are of a particular religion as a child but that doesn't mean that what you really are or will chose to be. It's a ridiculous cliche' lifestyle of the superstitious and anti intellectual type.

Whereas we must always remember not to confuse the "religion and magical thinking,with "race creed or color" which is objectively determined by nature at birth and not a choice at all ,so are we clear now .

 

Agree, you are the most credible source, then wiki and if they are written on English it makes them credible as well.


I already wrote in my previous post that such articles are biased on Western internet, because "hateful homophobes" can use it for their own "agenda".
There is data for many countries, as you could see.

Feel like I am getting trolled here, as usual, when I speak against homosexuals, seen that it already got into a revolving state - there is an answer already[data for multiple countries, why article on English is much harder to find or it don't exist], but troll keeps repeating like he doesn't understand something, like I am wrong, etc. I know, there is one goal - to demoralize an opponent and make them give up speaking out. I know all these dirty techniques.

So, I've voiced here my opinion on this matter and I am not going to discuss the same thing over and over for several months. I don't care, do you find me wrong or not.
I just find myself right.

 

Its not the language that makes a source credible its the citations. You are doing the Nationalist thing which is frankly just petty and juvenile. We all are human and I make no distinction between Russian or American. My problem is with the source... and I prefer English as the translation programs can be inaccurate.

You posted a source and I challenged it and you do not seem to like that... boohoo. If you don't like your sources being challenged then stick to opinions. Because so far all I see is your unimpressive opinions with absolutely no supporting facts.