Palestinians Send SMS Threats to Israelis - "Leave our country or die"

To paraphrase the Scottish trade unionist Jimmy Reid, "Nationalism is like electricity - both good and bad. Good electricity is the kind that powers incubators that keeps human beings alive. Bad electricity is the kind that powers electric chairs that kill." The original and worthy Zionist ideals were predicated on the former but have, over time, been hijacked by those that favour the latter with the aim of furthering the colonialist project I mentioned previously.

Regarding the first point, there is no need to apologize, Gilos. I'm sorry that I wasn't clear. I'll try again. Plan D was the first illustration that Zionism moved away from its earlier positive nationalist ideals represented by the incubator towards something else. The defining of Judaism as a national movement is understandable given the situation in Europe in which Jews suffered as a result of the various pogroms. The concept implied by the "spring of nations" during the 19th century defined groups in national terms as a way of overcoming this predicament.

However, the moment the leaders of the early Zionist movement decided that the only place they could satisfy the two impulses - security and self-determination as the means of overcoming Jewish suffering - was to be in Palestine, was the moment the Zionist movement became a colonialist project. This is the crucial moment of departure for Zionism. This departure in the first instance, became embodied in the political sense with the implementation of Plan D.

 

LOL RMAO touche!

You can give a damm about whatever the hell you want to, pal.

Exactly! You're sitting in the cushy seat, so what the hell are you griping for?

"they" constitute a very diverse group, which can't be generalized and marginalized by you to make your xenophobic blanket statements to relegate them all under your own banner, so you can justify atrocities against them, unless you want to adopt the "filthy dogs" mentality that was only just recently used to murder your own ancestors en masse.

There are some, a very high amount, who would love nothing more than to live side by side harmoniously with you, just as I should hope there are willing Israelis like that. And there's also I'm sure some who would love nothing more than to send you to hell on the back of a rocket.

All I'm saying is, you can imagine why this latter category might exist, while you continue to conquer more and more land. This just always brings us back to square one, the drawing board. You keep insisting your complaints are justified, and be that as it may to you, I keep trying to point out to you the reason why you have to make those complaints in the first place, which is something you have no willingness to do anything about. You're sitting there thirsting to death, even though your hands grasp a full canteen, while you (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and complain about being thirsty.

Big stain? Barely a droplet compared to the NATO banner that's saturated top to bottom with the blood of the innocent.

Incidentally, I have never stood up against either democracy or human rights in any instance and I dare you to quote me otherwise.

Sounds like some facts and figures should be forthcoming here; I'm all ears!

Actually, on second thought, forget it. Anybody can see that you're just blaming your own unfortunate victims for your own crimes which you levy against them.

Let's examine your accusation of "terrorists".. A terrorist is by definition, somewhere who attacks/threatens/kills innocent people for their own nutbag agenda, e.g. to install a new Sharia caliphate or perhaps to continue ethnic-cleansing the choice real estate from the inconvenient natives who were already on it... So how can you be a terrorist when you are shot and killed with no blood on your clothes and no weapon in your hand? These obvious circumstances show that you the guy who's covered in blood is the "terrorist".

"I think that's where I am, IMO its OK to be a nationalist if you know exactly the price you need to pay and what it is you buy."

Great. So why are you sitting here complaining about the price you're currently paying for it, after all, you've already decided the transaction was worthwile. Moreover, why then attribute that price you pay as the need for such nationalism in the first case? If you want to take the honey from out of the beehive then fine, but quit complaining about the beestings you feel while insodoing, and certainly don't point out those beestings, parade them in front of the US, in an attempt to score sympathy points and use them as justification for ,
why you had to go after than honey in the first place.

Now I'm thinking that this massive, unfortunate, inconvenient sperm-whale in the room you won't confront might be your own hypocrisy. Is it legally permissible, and morally right, for Iran to disregard their safeguard agreement with the IAEA ass they see fit?

 

I think the current situation is best for us in Europe. Israel acts as divide et impera factor in that region. And it fullfills its function. If Israel think it must go tough against palestine. Im fine with that.

 

Disputed territory and nothing else!!!!!!!!!!!!
Area A + B are controlled by Abu Mazen... Israel controls Area C... No one tells Abu Mazen the promoter of Munich slaughter anything... we deduct that this cadaver (he looks so to me) should not bother us... for we might reverse the table on him.

 

I will be worried when the Israeli pagers start going off and the endless faxes start running though.

These two countries have been at this for far longer then any of us have been alive. They will be on this far long after we are dead. The powerful western countries back Israel. That is why they have not been charged with war crimes from breaking the Geneva Convention by bombing Gaza Strip. The rich Arabic countries back Palestine and their constant death threats.

Both countries are in the wrong.

 

You don't really have a point, but you can drool over your simple-minded "Gotcha!" if it makes you feel smart. Just like our Dhimmi New Age, Rome was not what it used to be by the time the backward Nordics crushed it and brought on the Dark Ages. It was a far cry from the age of Cato the Elder, Fabian, and Scipio.

 

Medina was a Jewish city before it was raped away by Mohammed and his cult of ululating bandits. So the Israelis should tell the rabid Arab rabble, "We'll let you have all of Medina if you let us have all of Jerusalem."

 

World War I ended a 500-year jihad run by the Turks. The European leaders at the time, unlike our Diploma Dumbos, were well-educated in history and knew that another jihad would erupt in a few decades. So they established a Jewish Homeland as a decoy to that. So far, it's worked. Given our weak-willed and confused ruling classes, the only reason we don't speak Arabic by now is that a brave and intelligent people wanted to speak Hebrew.

 

You are wrong again. Infact rome was always crushed from the nordic cultures. First clash between romans and germans resulted in the total annihilation of the roman army at the teutoburger forrest.

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Bull(*)(*)(*)(*), since no one in the ottoman empire spoke arabic. The Ottoman empire could never really hold europe.

 

O God sir master sir, I note that very often a Genius such as yourself builds theories based on the good work of others. I beg your pardon for the impertinence of aiming to do as you do. Oh and by the way I know of at least one female porn star that is a member of Mensa.

 

Cant argue that can you

 

Picture please

 

Yes I kind of agree with that but not with all, I too see ppl using Zionism today to advance diffrent iodeas that what it originlly was ment, I dont think Plan D was that moment thou, Plan D was to ensure normal lives to the pop within the borders of the proposed Israeli state - you cant "sell" the state to immigrants when the rutine is sniper fire on passing cars or in towns, ppl will simply leave.
I think what you say existed in most Israeli's consciousness between 68 - 73, what was another disaster to the Arabs and Israel's moment of great triumph, that ended with the Israeli disaster in 73 and realization we are better off with peace then living on our swords, however many still remained with that state of mind till this day.

Now ppl like me that dont follow these ideas are caught in an akward place because the "barbaric" culture (as I see it) that took over many of my ppl ALSO took over the Palestinians, little suprise with the increasing deaths and intersts of the powers that support each side, so to make peace today will require impposible division and security measures. that part of the reason a recognition from the PLO is important to commit them to fight their own barbarians, but im also willing to accept another statement that will have the same effect.

Jerusalem is a very sensative issue, It deserves a whole new thread on it alone, I dont see it as occupied even thou International law does.

 

On the terrorist discussion, naturally innocents get hurt from bombings but legit targets include rocket squads that dont carry the rockets on their back with them - I dont know how humanitarian agencies count them, sometimes thare are hits on indeviduals that are known terror planners or playing other important parts in that regard - dont know how they are considered - but we see them as targets as well.

Im not complaining....., did I complain ? we can leave things as they are for decades to come, is'nt it what you accuse Israeli gov in doing ? we note the attacks on us because the other side notes our attacks, if the UN records than it should record the offenses on us as well, the right wingers in my country will rejoice if you turn your back on this area - I assure you of that.

I said in order to reach an agreemnet we DEMAND certian conditions, if that came as a "compliant" than formally assure you right now - its not.

 

Disputed territory if you insist that people that have lived there for centuries have no claim to the land in favor of people who haven't lived there for over a millenia (and no family tree to show which bit of land they lived on 1400 or 1900 years ago). As for Abu Mazen, I can think of several past Israeli politicians that committed terrorist acts and/or war crimes but I don't use that as a justification for denying Israel a right to exist.

 

The Palestinians forfeited their primacy because they didn't gain their own independence from the Turks. The whole Arab species deserves no independent countries and no oil; they are criminal and unfit fugitives from evolution. Great Britain and its allies defeated the Turks and gained hegemony over the former Ottoman Empire as war reparations. To not take the territory but instead give it away to natives who wouldn't free themselves for hundreds of years shows disrespect for the Allied soldiers who died so that Europe could be stronger. Their blood atoned for the ancient disgrace of losing this former Greek and Roman territory to Muslim savages from the desert.

Winning, England could do what it wanted for European security, so it set up a Jewish Homeland as a decoy to the inevitable next jihad. Lebanon was also a decoy, but that was conquered by Syria and Hezbollah. Do you want Israel to be the next to fall? If it does, Europe, America, and India will sink into the muck of Muslime.

 

Theft of land is theft of land. You can throw whatever slogans and rationalizations at the topic you want, but in the end that's what it boils down to. And the slow motion continuation of the theft of land even now means that the Palestineans have no real likelihood of achieving a reasonable peace any more. Not making peace while pretending to look reasonable is in the interests of the increasing percentage of Israelis who think the same as you.

 

Why do you come in here pretending you have proof of the slander you are propagating?
Why do you come in here with a chip on your shoulder as the portrayal of history on the M.E.?
When in reality you know squat!

On an open forum like this one you should arm yourself with proof and not the lies you imbibed from the PLO syllabus!!!
What Land the Jews have stolen? Please enunciate names and acres and previous owners...
Besides, all of that is just <clang> for this is the Land of the Jews and not the Arabs and the owners of the Land cannot steal their own friend. I would be able to confront your deposition if you <EVER> come with solid proof.

 

It didn't belong to the Palestinians in the first place, it was "stolen" by the British from the Turks. The real Israeli War of Independence was against the British. As they have done for thousands of years, the Palestinians didn't fight the British occupation either.

Nature is not a real estate salesman; the land belongs to whoever can get the most out of it. All the perpetually occupied Arabs got out of it was a pit stop for savage desert nomads. If they had defeated the Zionists in 1948, 1967, etc., the land would have been seized by Syria, Jordan, or Egypt. In other words, the Palestinians never had built a country and are too backward to have one, even if given to them by appeasers of terrorists.

History does not take vacations to wallow in Fantasyland. The land was taken by the Phoenicians, the Jews, the Greeks, the Romans, Mohammed's desert bandits, the Crusaders, the Kurds, the Mongols, the Turks, the British, and the Jews again, who, unlike the others have done something with the land that ought to make it permanently theirs. That includes the West Bank, Gaza, the Sinai, south Lebanon, and the Golan Heights. As usual, Dhimmi collaborators should not be answered by defending against their Muslicultural outrage, but by doing even more of the same to outrage them even more. Let the Arabs go back to the desert where they belong.

 

So according to that logic the Thirteen Colonies belonged to Britain and should have remained British unless the French or Spanish took it away from them. In your logic the people actually living on the land for many generations count for nothing. As for the Palestineans, they are quite the melting pot of peoples although culturally they are basically Arabic. There are Palestineans with Philistine, Samaritan and Crusader blood in their veins.

As for the "those who do something with the land" argument, apparently most of Africa should have remained European-controlled and many more Africans should have been dispossesed of their land by Europeans who could get better yields out of their new sharecroppers. These rationalizations are so threadbare that if they were the clothes you were wearing you'd be arrested for public indecency.

And why is the USA supporting Communist government in Israel? What else would you call a system where the government owns 94% of the land and even leases people their own homes? It is a travesty to call Israel a free market capitalist nation.

 

HBendor, we have already discussed this issue in previous threads and you have already seen a lot of evidence. I enclose here a bunch of links that make a lot of different points about the complex issue, but what it really comes down to is that many Palestineans are descendants of fellahin and their ancestors farmed the same land for generation after generation. This is similar to how land ownership worked in medieval middle Europe (Germany, for instance) but if you had told those farmers they were being kicked off the land en masse you would have had a massive revolt (as a matter of fact, there was a gigantic peasant revolt in the 1500s partly connected to issues of land ownership).

So ignoring the fact that in some cases urban lands with valid deeds have still been confiscated by the Israeli state and later sold or "leased" to Israeli citizens, your argument is that if the State of Israel legislates its usurpation of feudal lordship rights over the rural dunum, the modern descendants of the fellahin have no rights at all.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/securit...d-territories/land-and-settlement-issues.html
http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=410
http://www.progress.org/tpr/land-ownership-in-israelpalestine/
http://peacenow.org.il/eng/content/...srael-justify-and-legalize-confiscation-lands
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/10256-carving-palestinian-land
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/18/palestinians-land-protect-future
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/israeli-govt-study-declares-west-bank-not-occupied-earth-flat.html

 

Palestinians are Bedouins !

 

You should always thank the Lord that the Arabs came out of the desert and introduced dirty Europeans to soap (not to mention of course everything else that the Europeans learned from the Muslims and Arabs). Who knows where the Europeans would be today if the Arabs stayed in the desert (nowhere).

So whenever you take a sip of coffee or undergo surgery- God forbid!- thank Islam for bringing the Arabs out of the desert and enlightening the world.

 

I don't see where the insult is. If you are saying that Palestinians are Bedouins, then you clearly don't know what a Bedouin is.

Bedouins don't have homes. They just wander the desert. They don't have the notion of private property. They simply wander the desert.

Of course you're going to ignore all of this and repeat "Palestinians are Bedouins!" because you really don't know what you are talking about.

 

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