Off another thread, to Bible Believers...if you had been a Hebrew at the time of the

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  1. taikoo

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    We dont doubt you believe that. It is kinda weird to witness it. I mean, here is absolute proof in abundance all about, that it is a fable, that no such thing ever happened.

    But the aptly named "believers" just believe anything. (If it is something they inerrantly read outta a talking snake book, that is; facts, data are another matter. those are satanic secular liberalist lies)
     
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    no, i got your agreement that you were clueless regarding A Jackson and the absurd comparison to Obama. i dont care to argue about Dresdan, its in the long tradition of white european christians mass slasughter of other white christian euros.
     
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    I was ignoring that bit of nonsense, I don't think Jackson added trillions to the debt, used the government to spy and harass political opponents, or tired to nationalize healthcare, or released 68,000 criminal illegal immigrants, or approved of the grotesque form of infanticide known as parital birth abortions, for starters. I doubt Obama will ever be on the $20 bill.

    That was war, for mass slaughter, see the atheists Stalin and Mao.
     
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    Yes or No.....if you had been a Hebrew back then....would you have killed children and babies?
     
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    Did Dwight Eisenhower ORDER Allied troops to go in and kill German children and babies? Did FDR?

    Did God?
     
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    The make-believe god did. The hebs. must have had some conscience, else they'd not have needed to blame / credit "god" for the idea.

    Same mentality as we see today, anything "god" does, says, its Saul Goodman.

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    Stand by.... we will either get IG or, EQUIVOCATION!

    Or, maybe one of our Killer Angels will come right out and sell announce for what he is.
     
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    which is also despicable. what's your point?

    still waiting for you to give an example of a context in which it's 'good' to kill vast numbers of kids.
     
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    you're comparing a nation of children, to a dandelion?

    a perfect example of the profound corruption Christianity forces on her unwitting acolytes. if you invoke plenty of platitudinous waffle, and don't think too hard, you can make any act of evil seem ticketty boo.
     
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    Honestly I would probably get caught up in the moment. Throw in peer pressure, divine orders, and probably alot of pent up frustration of being born a Jew. I might regret it later but I would probably partake.
     
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    where's the punishment? thats the point
     
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    It's funny even the ones who are trying to say "Yes"...have to do so in a round-about, never-actually-saying it way.....because even they see how that makes them look.
     
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    only a psychopath kills children and babies.
     
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    According to the Bible Believers.....not if He has a "good reason" for doing it. Or if the children are "dandelions that need weeding".
     
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    Different time and different place with different set of morals and values. And the answer would be, "yes."
     
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    whoops! you seem to have forgotten that the Christian god is omniscient and omnipresent. there is no 'different time/place/morals' to such a being. of course, if this god IS limited by such trivial (to a universe creating, eternal super-being) details ....
     
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    I actually feel something like a mild pain when I see this. It's a cruelty, to force good, intelligent adults into this position.

    It's a bit like getting the world's worst baby-eating serial killer to lock you up in his basement, and demand (on pain of being burned alive) that you shout a mantra all day and night, to the effect "you are goodness and love" "you are goodness and love". after 30 odd years of this torment, he releases you into the world. but you're still so terrified (and likely will be for life - because you never know when he might be watching and listening) you sweat bullets every time someone asks why you still say he is goodness and love. awful business.
     
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    But to humans there is a different time and a different place.

    Yes, god is omnipresent, however, he still cannot control free will. Cod is omniscient, and yet he did not control free will. Thous shalt not murder has a different meaning than Thou shalt not kill. If one cannot kill, then the moral relevancy where war is justified or not justified will not exist under Judaism nor Christianity. Bit if there is moral relativism, then war and how war was fought had different meanings to different groups.
     
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    I don't think so. Your boy did and said other things (apparently - like ... MIRACLES) which were out of context for the time and place, so why would he suddenly get all politically correct and namby pamby on such incredibly important issues? Why was it more important to turn water into wine than to set a good example by NOT killing children?
     
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    Good description of abortion supporters.

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    Of course, the bombers of Dresden and Hiroshima didn't do it on their own.
     
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    Meanwhile, there is something lacking in this fine book: a demographic and economic perspective of the catastrophe. The latter is too lightly attempted, the former not at all. Instead, the perspective offered at the outset deliberately leans towards Tiananmenology, stressing with some smugness – for a change – the Mao-Stalin and then Mao-Khrushchev rivalry. To be clear: there’s no question of letting Mao off lightly – he was the prime culprit behind the disaster – or of underplaying (how could one?) his pride, arrogance, blunders, and criminal stubbornness. But instead of once again narrating well-known episodes such as Mao’s humiliation of Khrushchev by the Zhongnanhai swimming pool (p. 44) or the shelling of the offshore islands Quemoy and Matsu without notifying Moscow (p. 45), would it not have been more useful to set out briefly that demographic transition had hardly progressed on the eve of the Great Leap Forward? Fertility remained high, and mortality was decreasing at a rate all the more vigorous as generalised prevention (essentially vaccination) and other measures adopted in the previous eight years had reversed, or in certain cases eradicated, most infectious and parasitic diseases. In less than a decade (1949-57), infant mortality had fallen by two-thirds – according to official figures, which were no doubt given to exaggerating achievements. At any rate, infants’ survival was better assured in China on the eve of the famine than ever before. Many children who starved to death between 1958 and 1962 would not have been alive in 1958 had infant mortality stayed at the pre-1949 level. (Those who survived would eventually add to worries over the problem of retirees, which is not exclusively linked to the one-child policy). Staying with the pre-Great Leap Forward situation, an extremely high natural growth rate characteristic of the first phase of demographic transition (between 20 and 25 per thousand annually from 1955 to 1957) compounded another problem: feeding a rapidly growing population. Agriculture was facing great difficulty in catering to clamouring mouths. It had been on the verge of disaster many times in the 1950s, before the aberrations of the Great Leap Forward.

    http://chinaperspectives.revues.org/5585

    I'm not saying Mao didn't do terrible things, but looking at some of the background.

    It's rather like taking the Bible as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth without knowing the background to the Bible.

    For those who've read and studied the Tanakh it is pretty obvious that there was no Exodus, no 2,000,000 Jews wandering the desert, no slaughtering of nations at Jahweh's command, no fighting their way into Palestine. No conquest of Jericho and certainly no conquest of Ai. They were a tribe, already in Canaan, that became the most powerful and set up their own 'Kingdom'.
     
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    Really? Ike ORDERED American soldiers to kill children and babies?
     

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