Obama Declares Victory, Tells Republican's To Shut Up

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  1. way2convey

    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    Obama trots out into the Rose Garden, claims 7.1million have signed up for O'care, declares victory (mainly over rep's) and says (demands) the debate over repealing this law is over (period).

    Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar..._aca_debate_is_over_122146.html#ixzz2xjRk6mXI
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    In your dreams Mr. President. The debate over this law is far from over and the fact you haven't provided a shed of hard data to support your 7.1mil number proves it.

    None the less, this is a key place holder for Obama's strategy (and the media's) moving toward the Nov election and Pelosi made that very clear shortly after Obama's little victory rant.

    Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar..._aca_debate_is_over_122146.html#ixzz2xjUHpLeN
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    Yea, Nancy, you're so proud you want to avoid the ACA like the plague and change the subject to "jobs". We get it. And we get the not so subtle threats Obama issued to those who won't shut up about the ACA, too. And we get the fact the media will be the first ones to enforce the threats and pivot their attention to supporting your "jobs" message.

    So, what we are hearing from the liar of the year and his progressive cabal is nothing new or unexpected, but now they're strategy is set in stone and the media have their marching orders, but the question is, will the American people buy into it. I doubt it, but since the WH can lie without impunity, who knows. One things for sure though, lie they will. Knowing that, and how verbally vindictive progressives can be toward their opposition, this is shaping up to be a very ugly, divisive election.
     
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  2. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think what we have is a case of folks angry that the president and his ilk seem to be working to make the ACA function, and having, at this point, a bit of success at it.

    Whilst certainly the initial role out was a debacle of near biblical proportions, I am finding it a bit difficult to find fault in this portion of the ACA, that being people signing up for health coverage. Isn't that what people are supposed to do? To pay their own way? To take care of their personal affairs? To ensure that they have health care?
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    He is probably correct. And yes unless we are talking about some reforms to make even smoother to sign up or minor twikes there really is no more open discussion on killing off the program, not gonna happen.
     
  4. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lots of very important, unanswered questions which should temper the excitement of that 7 million who "signed up".


    Obviously the questions above are more important than the victory lap touting "sign ups".

    For (*)(*)(*)(*)s and giggles, lets split it in the middle. Say only 3.5 Million paid....that means that only 3.5 million are covered....and it makes that 7 million signups meaningless, as half of them have nothing at all.
     
  5. plague311

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    LoL other than you have no evidence to back up your claim in any way, shape, or form. You're just making (*)(*)(*)(*) up and you openly admit it in your post. Why would we split it in the middle? What point would that make? You have no evidence that any of those people haven't paid their premiums. Just another right wing example of moving the goal posts. In fact, it's a text book definition!
     
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    FIRST, when the roll-out began? Rightwingers claimed

    "He'll never get 7 million signed up! Never!!!!"

    THEN it became

    "It's not a real 7 million!!!!"

    TODAY, some RW media outlets are trying

    "Okay, it's a real 7 million...but they're a 'bad' 7 million"

    Meanwhile the GOP has THREE...."alternative plans" to replace Obamacare....but can't settle on ONE. :)
     
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    *Sign ups* are meaningless without knowing how many paid for their plans and how many of those 7 million signed up after losing their insurance due to... Obamacare mandate.
     
  8. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    How many times do you people have to be lied to before you realize you're dealing with a liar?

    Who can believe we've got so many gullible people in this country?

    Lets all sqy it in unison...
    *OBAAAAMA*
     
  9. RichT2705

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    I was being fair by splitting it in the middle. Figured no rational person would split hairs with that lol...Since they dont know how many paid, It would have been totaly acceptable for me to say all of them are uncovered. You couldnt prove me wrong...but I figured Id be fair about it and give you 3.5 Million that you cannot account for.

    The "point" being that until paid, these people have nothing. They are not covered. Did that totally obvious part elude you?

    As to making (*)(*)(*)(*) up...did you also miss this from the article? The "evidence" you mentioned?

    They dont know, or wont say how many have paid, so my post was right to the point. All this "7 million signups hooray" is meaningless.

    Just another example of the left kicking and screaming in anger when they realize it's obvious how gullible they are.
     
  10. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    It's working? Really? And I suppose you have hard data that proves it. You don't? Why not? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY!! You are basing your assumptions on the good faith and word of the Liar of the Year. Now, if you could remove the political blinders for just a second, do you honestly believe that taking the word of the Liar of the Year to be the best evidence of the efficacy of a program? No, it isn't.

    But let us, for an instance, look at the actions of the Liar of the Year, as opposed to his words, which have severely diminished in value over the last few years. He delayed the individual mandate until after an election. He delayed the employer mandate until after an election. Do you honestly believe that if the ACA was a good law and it was working, that the President would defy the United States Constitution and unilaterally delay implementation in order to give his political party political cover? Of course not.

    You are correct about one thing, the roll-out was a disaster, much like the rest of the bill would be if it was fully implemented on schedule.
     
  11. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gorn knows this full well. He's just doing his usual thing, laying down smokescreens.
     
  12. JP5

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    I'm sorry. BUT the president is NOT a Dictator and someone needs to tell him that. He does NOT get to declare that a debate is over! This is the United States of America and we have a very important thing called "freedom of speech." It's in our Constitution. And we will NOT "shut up" because he wants us too.....as he declares some kind of victory for himself. We have no idea what shenanigans were pulled to get some better numbers at the last minute. We DO know, however, that he allowed people to go on the website, check one box saying they had tried before and could not get in.....and this checking of the box, they have been told, would save them later from any penalty. That's an indefinite thing. IF he's counting those people as having "signed up" then he's lying about the numbers.....AGAIN. IF he's counting those people who have not paid a first payment as being "signed up" he's lying about the numbers again. And since we KNOW that he's lied already about this legislation SO MANY TIMES BEFORE.....what makes him think anyone should trust him now? Because he's Barack Obama? Sorry.....but that's not good enough.

    When this thing began.....it was touted as being about getting 35 million uninsured people insured. So, tell us, Mr. President......exactly how many of those 35 million are now insured? How many others have lost their insurance policies? How many of the young and healthy signed up....you know, the ONES that are supposed to pay for the sick and old? So many questions.....and so little answers.
     
  13. Think for myself

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    Blinders! You have blinders on! Liar of the year! Grrr!

    Why not read the post you quoted rather than hurling vitriol? Hmm? Clearly you will see that I was critical of the program, and clearly you will see that I prefaced my statement as opinion. So why sit there and say I have blinders on? Because I (*)(*)(*)(*)ing dared disagree with you? Because I (*)(*)(*)(*)ing dared to point out what can be construed as a success in one small (*)(*)(*)(*)ing portion of the ACA?

    Don't sit there and accuse me of a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*) for having an opinion based not in wholly partisan hatred.
     
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    It's not 'affordable' unless you suck off the paying customers.

    It's only enrolling a tiny fraction of the uninsured.

    It's a solid FAIL.
     
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    Ha! I must say I love that little gem. Young ones are supposed to pay for the sick and the old. I think your point, though inadvertent, touched on the important entitlement that most seniors have, they need to have stuff given to them, to have their lives paid for by the taxpayer. To get their freer little handouts at the expense of others.
     
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    Define "success" as the main reasons for the Affordable Care Act, as specified by the president himself and his quislings, getting the uninsured covered (the CBO tells us that after all the Obama Care hoopla we will still have 38 million Americans left without any coverage at all), and "bending the cost curve down" (premiums and deductibles will rise 40% next year) are both significant failures!
    Throw in the president's well known, self admitted lies (you can keep your health plan and doctor, it won't cost you one dime more) and an intellectually honest person would have to admit there is very little success indeed to crow about.

    The CBO estimates that between "free riders" getting their Obama Care subsidized (remember the president railing against those free riders?) and those that have decided to jump over to Medicaid to avoid Obama Care (sixteen million new enrollees), it will cost taxpayers $210 billion dollars per year annually.
     
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    exactly, and what he said was the debate of repeal without a valid replacement is over... republicans could still try to offer a valid replacement... they just don't want too
     
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    The Neo-Socialist in Chief spikes the ball on his own 1 yard line. The Right laughs at him. :)
     
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    "mission accomplished"
     
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    My apologies. Perhaps you were out and missed the announcement of who the Liar of the Year is. I could have sworn it was an established fact. Allow me to provide a link:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...2/politifact-awards-lie-of-the-year-to-obama/

    I am not sure why you would be upset by the fact that Barack Obama is the liar of the year. He has certainly lied big and lied often. Can you think of anyone else who has lied their way into the award with such persistence and penache during 2013? I can't.

    You did claim:

    Those are your words, are they not? I appears that the only person showing anger, anger to the point of using profanity, base and vulgar language is you. So where is your anger claim coming from the Liar of the Year's detractors? Frankly, I'm not seeing it.

    And you did claim that Obamacare is having a bit of success. I am not seeing it, because either the Obama administration is just too incompetent to come up with empirical data, or they are just lying, which has been a well established pattern. How do you know Obamacare is successful? What piece of evidence do you have that none of the rest of us do, besides the word of the liar of the year and his political operatives?

    You are entitled to your opinion, I fully accept that. I just want to understand what that opinion is based on.
     
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    Hmm. I'm incredulous that you can't find fault with this paltry number of sign-ups.

    How many people did Obama & Co. claim were uninsured? 45 million?

    How many people lost their HC plans on account of FullRetardCare? 5.9 million.

    Why should anyone be impressed by a relatively few people signing up for Medicaid and HI, especially when the program is set to cost $1.5 trillion in the near term? How are people getting subsidies "paying their own way" and "taking care of their personal affairs" when other people are paying their way and taking care of their personal affairs for them?

    I couldn't be more underwhelmed, and the fact that Obama & Co. had to set the bar for success so low speaks to the faults of the entire program.
     
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    It's your claim fella, I don't have to support your claim. You do. We call that "reverse burden of proof", and I'm not doing your job for you. Seriously though, you could have just said, "I have nothing and am going to parrot this retarded line for no reason. I just want to use conjecture to try and prove my point while all my right wing buddies high-five me, high school locker room style"

    Keep up the fine critical thinking.
     
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    I don't care what pundits say. I am more than capable of reaching my own conclusions.
     
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    Not to mention, it's about time he told the Republicans to shut up. People have cried about how weak and timid he is, if I was the president I would have told the whining, crying, skinned knee, little girl, right wing to shut up 4 years ago after it cleared the courts. Only children don't give up on stuff like this, and that's exactly what the right wing has proven to be.
     
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    It's not my "claim"...it's fact, and It's documented in the article fella. I linked it to you. They do not know, or wont tell how many have paid.
    If they cannot substantiate how many have paid, then they cannot claim they are covered. Sign up figures are meaningless. Why would I claim I have nothing, when the article clearly reinforces my points???


    Is it the reading part, or the comprehension of what the words tell us that you are stumbling on?



    Here, let me ask you a simple question, and then maybe it will sink in.

    How many of the signups actually have coverage? Be prepared to document your answer with a link to those numbers.
     

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