Equal protection, baby! Don't like it, move to Iran or something. Can't pass any law that violates it, and that includes State Constitutional Amendments. Real freedom doesn't give citizens the right to violate the rights of others. I don't care if you can get 90% to vote in favor of it, Slavery is anti-freedom. Ditto for same sex marriage, anti-dildo laws, and anti-drug laws. You, and I, and every other human is a FREE person. I get to (*)(*)(*)(*) any adult who wants to (*)(*)(*)(*) me. I get to marry any adult (or even adults) who wish to marry me. I own my body, and I, as a free man, have the right to do things to it that are bad for it. Regardless of what your authoritarian inclinations tell you. You don't own me. I do. You don't want me to inject substance-X? Tough (*)(*)(*)(*), unless substance-X makes my body blow up and take out 3 city blocks, you don't have a say. You don't want me having sex with a man? Tough (*)(*)(*)(*). It's not my thing, but if it was (or if I change my mind), unless I'm forcing you to have sex with me (which I would never do), you have no standing to proffer an opinion. Freedom means I get to do whatever the (*)(*)(*)(*) I want to do, as long as I cause you no harm, no matter what you think about it. - - - Updated - - - We can only hope.
They are overturning the votes that passed SSM bans. Because such bans are Unconstitutional. But your claim was that there had NEVER been a vote of the people that approved SSM, not denied it. You are factually incorrect. I'm not sure of the exact count, and don't feel like looking it up right now, but it's more than one. - - - Updated - - - Your immorality is (or at least, might be, because I don't know what you consider immoral that is something that I'm into) my idea of a fun Saturday night.
Hypocritical! Gays say stay out of our bedrooms while they are concerned how others spend their money! Sadly conservatives aint fer (*)(*)(*)(*) with organization.
You mean it's sad they can't properly organize enough to discriminate against their fellow humans? Nice.
Think what you will, I really do not give a rats ass. It really works both ways and the progressives discriminate against everyone. But address this: Gays say stay out of our bedrooms while they are concerned how others spend their money!
While every group has (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s, and I'm sure there are a few gays willing to raid your bedroom and rape you (which is also true of straights), the average gay person has no interest in you unless that interest is returned. Except for the exception to the rule, you have nothing to fear.
Uhhhh? Address this please: Gays say stay out of our bedrooms while they are concerned how others spend their money! I guess your reply was to distract me or something? Make me reactive? I doubt you have what it takes to unhinge me... This is the internet not a boxing ring. So just keep pulling crap out of the ether, dont matter to me. And fear? Fear what? Some of us just live by a set of rules, morals... But the ME, ME, ME generation is very lacking and they threaten this countries way of life. They do not want to get along they want to do as they please and have everyone else bend to their will.
Your so-called "morals" are bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You don't get to tell others how to live. No matter how much you might want to.
So you are an anarchist, opposed to all legislation? Because that is what legislation is: society telling its members how to live.
It's a rehash of the sixties when the motto was "if it feels good,do it". What followed was economic misery and global unrest. Of course what came before the sixties was prosperity and a sense of patriotism. Now we have had the prosperity and a sense of patriotism it is time for the communist hippies to come in and muck everything up. So now we get to look forward to economic misery and global unrest. It is history repeating. You would think people would learn from our mistakes and stop this liberal progressive garbage in its tracks but it seems people need to learn the hard way. Oh well at least we have common sense and prosperity waiting on the other side or at least I hope so.
Reading problems? I never said never. Yes, and some people find bestiality fun, or pedofilia, or even murder. Anything goes.
I have no idea if you are gay or not, and frankly, I do not care. However, this is the same pompous attitude that created this topic. "My way or the highway". Gays are a minority in this country, but gays want others to kowtow to their beliefs and castrates anybody that does not support their cause. They force their opinion down the throats of others (no pun intended). Seeing as how gays are a minority, I would think that if anybody is forced to leave the country, it would be the gays (not that I support the idea). Only problem is that there are still plenty of countries in the world where gays are not accepted and would be killed on sight. That beliefs in those countries will eventually fade away...as they should. Continued below: A majority of American's society already accept the gay lifestyle. Except for a few cretins, people are no longer telling gays who they can (*)(*)(*)(*). People are no longer telling gays who they can love. We are talking about a piece of paper. That paper is not needed in order to love somebody. That paper is not needed to provide true happiness. In fact, it is a piece of paper created by the same religion organizations that are claimed (often true) to suppress the gay lifestyle. It is a bit ironic that gays want to utilize a system that was created by the same organizations that oppresses them. Personally, I feel that the States have no business in the issuance of marriage certificates and need to get out of the business of doing so. Marriage licences are nothing more than a contract. It is legal for gays to enter into contracts. If gays need a certificate in order to become fulfilled, why don't they create their own recognizing authority to issue and enforce said contracts/licences. If they feel they need the certificate to obtain joint health insurance, why don't they find an insurance company that will honor gay marriage licences. I'm sure quite a few would do so, and once one company does, many would follow if it is profitable for them to do so. Why do gays need to Government to recognize their love and for each and every person in society to except it. Yes, there are still many cretins that can not or will not accept the gay lifestyle. Those people will still exist no matter what. If they act in a violent fashion, then they should be dealt with just as all violence towards others is dealt with. However, that does not seem to be the driving factor. Sure, gays do not want to be victims of violence anymore than others, but the driving factor appears to be that the gay community wants 100% acceptance from each and every person in society. If somebody does not express every indication of supporting that lifestyle, they are publicly and personally destroyed. That is not the actions of a group that want acceptance, that is a group that wants to control the beliefs of others.....a bit hypocritical if you ask me. p.s. I find your correlation of being denied a marriage certificate to slavery to be very distasteful and disrespectful to the true victims of slavery.
Nope! No one ever said that free speech didn't have consequence. . . And this man's free speech had for consequence other people exercising their own right to free speech!
People are told everyday what to do and how to live. We have laws concerning our driving of cars, paying taxes, rules in the workplace, and thousands of other rules and regulations that are placed on the citizens. Many of them are voted on; others are enacted by the legislators WE put in place. Society is not....and never has been.....where each individual gets to decide what laws they will abide by and which ones they won't. In my generation there were people running around barefoot with flowers in their hair, giving the "peace" sign and living in Communes. There was fighting in the streets over the war. Those people grew up, had families and are now a part of the mainstream America.
My issue is with mozilla, I am not telling people how they must live. Sure I may disagree with what other do but that is just them. Sadly to disagree with some people and stand for what you believe in can get you canned if it is not on the progressive agenda. Let me be clear here... I am not correct or incorrect and neither is anyone who disagrees with me on matters of what is proper or improper. I am sure there are things we agree upon that others do not agree with. Social matters! So that being said it seems the Gay agenda is telling people what they should think or how they should feel... So if gays get dismissed because of their gayness and what they do in their bedrooms is it any different that this man being pressured to resign because of where he spent his money? Double standard and a bad precedent, very bad. EDIT, I forgot... Uhhhh? Address this please: Gays say stay out of our bedrooms while they are concerned how others spend their money! For the third time.
Oh but they get to tell us how to live by expecting us to subsidize their morality? Are you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joking?
Sure, there is no problem in one exercising their free speech. However, they still should be respectful towards the opinions of others, even if they do not agree with them. What is ironic is that Brendan Eich has probably done more for the gay rights cause than his $1000 donation has harmed. He is the co-founder of Mozilla....one of the most supportive corporations for gay rights that exists. He has always been a figure that helped shape the existing policies for that corporation. However, apparently the gay community do not care about the great things he has done for them in the past. One step away from their agenda and he can roast with the others.
And you have managed, in a single sentence, to summarize why you and EVERY opponent to same sex marriage is wrong. Because that piece of paper is NOT created by any religious organization. It is created by our secular government. A government which is prohibited, by Constitutional mandate, from making laws that treat one subset of persons differently than another.
And you have managed, in a single sentence, to summarize why you and EVERY supporter to same sex marriage is wrong. The institution of marriage existed long before Governments have existed. Just about EVERY culture known to mankind has had some form of marriage ritual. The institution of marriage even existed prior to mankind's recording history. Today's marriage ritual, most common in the US, is from a basis described in the Bible. Sure, the institution of marriage might have been perverted by the interference of the Government, however, it is not a governmental creation.
But, in fact, it is a governmental institution. I am married. My wife and I got a license (from the government), and had a friend of ours who happens to be a notary public (another government issued license) perform the ceremony at the beach. We then signed, in the presence of witnesses, the government issued paperwork, returned it to the government, and they sent us written confirmation that we were married. There were no churches involved. There were no ministers involved. Our vows said nothing about any religious bs. But we are in fact married. Because whether you like it or not, marriage is, in this day and age, a governmental issued status, and has exactly NOTHING to do with religion or any pre-historic ritual.
Marriage in itself, was never about religion and I never claimed it was. For Western society, it was a contract between families. The recognition and acceptance of marriage, in the western society, originated with the Catholic Church. No actual ritual needed to be performed and no witnesses were even needed.....only the declaration of the two people involved. The issuance of a 'paper' was not even a requirement until the mid 1800's....with the exception of Massachusetts, which required the 'paper' as far back as the early 1600's. A state that was religious dominated at that time (remember the Salem witch trials?). The paper is irrelevant for two people to achieve happiness. It is only useful for Governmental recognition. Except in regards to taxes, that Governmental recognition is useless. Private companies no not need governmental approval to recognize gay marriages and offer benefits the same as traditional marriages. The false claim that the little piece of paper is paramount to a couple's happiness in nothing more than a smoke screen to force others into acceptance.
Regardless, they are ENTITLED to that little piece of paper, whether or not you like it. And the presence of that little piece of paper forces you to accept nothing, you are free to be a hater should that be your choice.
[MENTION=61337]DentalFloss[/MENTION]... Address this please: Gays say stay out of our bedrooms while they are concerned how others spend their money! This is four.
Ah yes....here it is again. Since I do not agree with you, I must accept it whether I like it or not....if I don't I am therefore a hater. That rhetoric is getting very old and frankly does not work on me. It does not work, because I know I am not a hater. I am not against gay marriages or against the gay lifestyle. It appears that you really do not understand what I am saying and therefore read into it what you want to. You then resort to slander in your attempt to bully me into acceptance......sounds exactly like what happened to Mr. Eich.....which is exactly the point of my posts in this thread.
