I can see how frikken irritating I was when I went on my own vegetarian moral crusades against people who really didn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*).
Don't make me feel horrible. Also, you're grossly exaggerating the effects, both ways. A proper diet is well balanced - so obviously a vegetarian diet with no protein isn't good, but I'm not going to criticize that as if it was the norm for vegetarians. Again, more ridiculous false dichotomies. Too bad I've never been healthy or hiking, snowboarding, running etc. - no meat eaters have ever done that! HAHA! YOU are talking about false dichotomies? Clearly you failed to get the apparent reasoning. yay for straw men! No, basically meat is a part of a well balanced diet. And also great to eat, but apparently for you preventing overpopulation is a part of destroying the environment.
Humans are omnivores and have a much shorter digestive system than herbivores who sometimes even have multiple stomachs. We also have canine teeth. Humans have been eating meat for 1.5 million years. Meat contains high quantities of B12, B3, B6, Iron Zinc, Selenium etc. Meat contains Creatine which supplies energy in reserve for muscles and brain. Carnosine is a powerful antioxidant and is found only in animal foods. DHA/EPA (active forms of Omega 3 more efficiently processed by the human body). We humans are meant to consume a wide variety of food types....The problem comes when we eat way to much because of easy availability.
Do you want say, that factory farms more harmful than hog farms and cow farms? Why? Have you keep biases concerning of birds? Plants, factories, big manufacturing can bring much more damage to the environment than of the agrocultural industry They consume for production of goods a lot more resurs and about the number of toxic waste even not need talk I like eat any meat, but question only in that we must not to have tendency to extravagances
Been there, done that. This going all the way back to the early 1970s when the diet was first popularized. Never worked for me even once.
You made a thread with a bunch of half assed reasons why you're not going to be vegetarian anymore, and what did you expect? No responses from veg*'s? And that makes it a "moral crusade" because I'm shooting down your bad reasoning? Not once have I said that you MUST eat veg*, or that you're a horrible person for not doing so, or anything remotely "crusade"ish. Quit pretending you're being persecuted. You made a thread with a bunch of weak reasons, and I'm responding to those reasons. If you're that sensitive, just don't post about it in a public forum. If you want to eat meat, just eat meat and say you're doing it because you like the taste. Just don't make up arguments based on ignorance or intellectual dishonesty. If someone just says, "hey, I like to eat meat because I just don't care enough about animals not to," I can at least respect them for their honesty. I'm not going to call them a horrible person or tell them I'm better than them, but when people go to ridiculous lengths to justify it with horrible arguments, I'm going to shoot those arguments down. Maybe you won't change your mind, and if you don't, fine. But maybe others will learn something and be open to trying a veg* diet. Personally, it sounds to me like you feel guilty and are just trying to get out of your guilt and that guilt's from inside of YOU. If you didn't, why would you even bother posting about it and coming up with a bunch of flawed reasons? You seem to have completely missed the point I was making about your argument, as you did nothing to even address it. I made no such claims, but if you're eating unhealthy food and not "depraving yourself" at all, it's eventually going to catch up with you. Pretty hard to go snowboarding when you're dead because you died of a heart attack 20 years earlier than had you not eaten such horrible food. And my point wasn't just that eating junk food will necessarily give you a lot of serious health problems, but that I get gratification out of doing things, not eating things. Sure, you can eat meat and also be active, but if you're just eating as much as you want, along with other unhealthy food, it's probably going to cause problems at some point. And you have no actual response on the fact that eating veg* doesn't mean not having tasty food. Clearly, you're incapable of explaining it in a way that makes it seem rational. What was the point of talking about a veg* not getting enough protein, if your argument isn't that veg* can't get enough protein? You seem to think that a diet is not "balanced" without meat. According to what scientific sources? How are you preventing overpopulation by eating meat? Most people eat factory farm meat, and others, aren't preventing overpopulation by hunting. Nature's pretty good at taking care of that, except for when it comes to one particularly pesky species. Canine teeth are a poor argument for needing to eat meat. You can get everything you need for your body without eating meat. And you act as if people are going to be eating nothing but tofu if they aren't eating meat.
Apparently you DIDN'T go there and do that, since you JUST said that you ate a lot of grains and cheese and made it sound as if you had no idea how to get protein from any other source. I'm sorry, but I see that English is not your first language and I'm having trouble understanding you. I think you're saying that bird farms are factory farms, but pig/cow farms are not? That's not true. Factory farms can be any large scale farm made up of any animals used for food. I will post some facts about factory farms, pig farms in particular, and grass fed cattle farms. http://www.motherjones.com/tom-phil...ctor-general-rebukes-hog-slaughter-conditions http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/40934/title/AAAS_Climate-friendly_dining_…_meats So, if you care about wild animals, then you shouldn't be consuming animals at all because of what it does to the environment. It is so much more resource intensive than a meatless diet. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/gen..._Public__AAAS_Climate-friendly_dining_…_meats
mweh. try making it coherent and direct. So this was just an accidentally inserted sentence with no purpose? "if eating a certain diet destroys your body and leads to an early death, how great was your life, really?" Yeah, no duh eating meat in an unhealthy way is unhealthy. So is eating a vegetarian diet consisting entirely of avocadoes - please, stop trying to make absurd moot points. yes, I have nothing to disprove your moot point that has nothing to do with my argument. Congratulations. because it's actually a common problem with vegans and vegetarians. Dying in your mid-40s of a heart attack because you ate nothing but meat, and other absurdities you like to talk about, is not common. yay for irrelevant points. Yeah, one of the reasons why we hunt is to control animal populations - I'm assuming you're not familiar with population control?
What in the bloody (*)(*)(*)(*) are you talking about? Do you really think an animal enjoys living a short life on the verge of starvation while being constantly hunted by something? We live in a symbiotic relationship with our brothers who provide us food, which, as they have come to be, simply could not exist without our aid. A domestic cow, chicken, sheep etc. lives a very long life under much less stress than its wild compatriot, the majority of which do not even survive birth or far past it. As far as the wild animal's life being natural and happy PLEASE stop anthropomorphizing. Happiness is a HUMAN concept, (and, if you talk to many humans from third world countries, a foreign thing to them as well) . An animal is happy as long as it's alive, not in pain, and not running away from something in terrible fear, be it man or predator. To me the hunter of wild animals is a wanton killer and a thief.. He has given the animal nothing, no protection, no food, no care, yet still considers himself entitled to murder it, even though it has done him no harm and simply went about its business.
I would assume animals free to this their life are better off than those confined to a cage. Those who eat meat and are opposed to killing the animals themselves are truly ball less whiners.
The hunter of wild animals lets the animal lead a natural life, and part of natural life is often predation. Predators are part of nature. - - - Updated - - - As do chimpanzees, our closest relative in the wild.
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www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=347430&page=4&p=1063771917#post1063771917 Sure, if you consider insects "meat." I'm sure those big, sharp teeth really tear into those tiny bugs. And way to ignore the fact that other animals have sharp teeth and don't eat meat. You say NOTHING of the other animals, but because you think Geladas eat meat, the other animals with sharp teeth can be ignored?
Again, you are anthropomorphizing. Most responsible pet owners keep their pets confined in some way for the pet's safety. I used to have 3 cats who lived outdoors but lost two to a coyote. Now I have one cat who lives indoors and seems to have no complaints, are you saying the other two are happier being pieces of long dried coyote (*)(*)(*)(*) somewhere?. I don't oppose killing animals who have been given long and comfortable lives humanely. I'm not opposed to killing an animal myself. I'd work in an abattoir, if no other work was available. I have nothing against butchers. It's simple, honest work to me. Why do you equate thievery and murder with manliness, are you psychotic? Predators in nature hunt to survive. Man is part of nature, yes, but a very special and unique part. The only reason a man hunts is because he enjoys killing Predators in nature regard hunting as simply what they do. They don't derive "joy" from it, as the very concept of joy as humans feel it is beyond them. The majority of predators are cowardly by human standards, as being brave would result in them taking on animals that could fight back better. Wolves hunt the old and the sick (and 51% of their diet is mice, according to Farley Mowat) thus they improve the species. Man hunts the biggest and healthiest. Hunting by a man is the most unnatural thing any man can do, a crime against nature. He weakens any species he so victimizes.
lol Alright, you go to the supermarket in your Prius to get meet. I will walk ten miles a day, starting at 5am when it is still below freezing outside, for five days. I assume you have never attended a DOW meeting? Hunting is a part of wildlife management. So do not pretend to be an authority on the subject, you are not one. Mkay?
What I don't think vegetarians understand is that humans are just animals like the rest of life on this Earth. Just because we are smarter than other animals doesn't mean it is cruel to eat them. A lion is way smarter than a gazelle, is it inhumane that they hunt and eat them? No. The human system was made to consume mean and use the energy. That is the circle of life. We are at the top of the food chain, we should be grateful that we are so powerful, not shunning out natural functions. Also if I couldn't have my bacon and eggs in the morning I would come very close to suicide.
Geez, I have no idea why you feel so compelled to get so overly emotional about it all. For years I subscribed to Rodale's Prevention magazine and bought veg foods/drinks at the health food shop at the old WTC in down town NYC. Very pricey stuff but largely useless. No big deal - today I eat a meat based diet, have lost weight (thankfully), and feel more energized than I ever did under the veg diet.
The problem is not with veg diet or meat diet, the problem is the way they are portrayed in our media and all of sudden they are putting in our minds that this is some sort of magical intervention, which will change everything, ultimately this is all just a business trick.
Years ago I read an article about the co-relation between the early white supremacists and vegetarianism. While most of today's vegans certainly do not succumb to this type of ideology, it does show that its ideas originate with a certain mysticism that has no basis in reality. Science has proven that the human anatomy corresponds with those of other creatures who are omnivorous. I am not attempting to equate humans with animals but am pointing out that Nature has certain patterns, none of which suggest that humans were intended to be exclusively vegetarian.
Wild animals live long and comfortable lives. I don't know a hunter who doesn't try to kill his prey as quickly and humanely as possible. I have no problem with killing animals, and would do it in a slaughterhouse or in the field. That said, I do think it's more ethical to eat wild animals than tame ones. At least the wild animals have had freedom. Domestic animals are accustomed to life in "captivity." We've bred the wildness out of many species. It's in our nature to enjoy killing. Anyway, predation is part of life. We have eliminated most of the non-human predators, so it is necessary for us to participate in it. Also, humans have been hunting and killing animals for our entire species history. Of course they derive joy from it. Have you ever watched mammals hunting? Evolution has made it so that we enjoy much of what we need to do--sex, killing, eating, etc.
That ain't no Gelada. You seem unaware that there are different types of Baboons. Again, you ignore the fact that even aside from Gelada's, other animals have big, sharp teeth and don't eat meat. Stop avoiding the fact. I don't know how I'm being anymore emotional than you. You didn't even address my comment. Again, you make it sound as if your only options are cheese and grains. There is no evidence that shows we need meat. Lions also eat the young of the females they want to impregnate. I guess that's not cruel if humans do it then. Do you think it's possible to be cruel to animals in anyway? Like, say, I skinned a dog alive before I ate it? Is that cruel? Or if I stabbed a cat in the eyes for fun before I killed and ate it? Not cruel? Having a natural function doesn't mean it's not cruel to use it when you don't need to. It also doesn't mean that there is no different levels in cruelty regardless of how you process animals for consumption or that no considerations should be made.
You also seem unaware of the differences between baboons as you choose to use a photo of a Gelada claiming it's teeth are the same as a carnivore. I never said your Gelada was the same as a meat eating baboon. "Gelada have relatively smaller incisors and larger molars (chewing teeth) than Papio (Jolly, 1972; Szalay & Delson, 1979) and their molar teeth exhibit distinct adaptations to resist wear and improve their ability to macerate fibrous foods." (R.I.M. Dunber & U. Bose) In other words, your Gelada has evolved into a herbivore and its dentition is the proof. Just the opposite of what you claim.
