If Jesus Never Called Himself God, How Did He Become One?

Yes, it is FACTUAL true, that lies exist.
But it is also true that lies have no factual basis in Reality.

Therefore, Lies are not part of Reality nor the image of Reality.

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Truth is what corresponds with Reality.
Lies do not correspond with Reality.

Anything you might find in the Bible which you believe to be a lie would be included in this statement if it were a lie.

 

Lies are as much a part of reality as truth is. If lies werent part of reality, there wouldn't be any.

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I already outlined just a couple of the things in the bible that are lies, but you chose to ignore them.

The best Lies can absolutely correspond to reality.

 

Lies exist, but they are not a part of Reality because they are not true.

The body of lies create Fantasy, and identify people who live by standards that are not living in Reality.

Reality Vs Fantasy

 

cupid dave:
Yes, they can.
That is why God gets jealous.

People make up lies and live in that artificial place, Fantasy, which is NOT Reality.

 

What does your god have to be jealous about?

Apparently it exists outwith of space/time, it is powerful enough to not only create the entire universe, but also to create man in his own image. It apparently knows everything that ever has and ever will transpire throughout the universe so who can it possibly be jealous of and why would it be jealous?

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BY your own definition and by simple logic, if lies exist in reality, then they are part of reality by definition.

 

No it is not. It is a statement of fact. As usual your knowledge of Church history is lacking.

At the time of Tertullian the son was believed to be subordinate to the Father. Any claim that the son was equal or "of the same substance" was heresy.

http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-history-apostolic-fathers.htm

It is not some big secret that the Trinity as we know it was not what the early church fathers believed.

Tertullian was a heretic because he was a Montanist (Montanism is the ancestor of modern day Evangelicalism)

The Trinity was heresy because simply put, it was heresy to claim that Jesus was equal to or the same as God the father.

 

The Truth is that you have no idea whether or not Jesus even uttered those words.

The Truth is that the person who wrote those words had never met Jesus.

The Truth is that you have not studied the history of Christianity enough to understand the Gospels. Here is a great documentary that will help greatly in your search for the truth.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/

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No they didn't. You are confused.

 

"He" just always attacks people, as if they are crazy for living outside of Reality, no matter what lies they make up to create their Fantasy World.

 

Yes, you have a point if we mean by Reality whether something exists.

But, Truth is the image of the moment by moment creation of the real world.
Reality is being CREATED every split second.
Reality does NOT include lies, since everything in it is true.

Reality does not include the lies that men can create.


Existence does include Truth and Lies.

 

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

ya lost me on this response.

I asked you what your god has to be jealous of?

 

I get that you do not understand but I do not think you are wicked.

Reciting Bible passages in an effort do demonize the messenger is not an argument against the truth of the message.

The truth is that when young Children (and even adults) are taught that Satan is waiting to punish them eternally if they deviate from doctrine, this has a powerful subconscious effect. Fear is a powerful control agent.

Those that are under the influence of such teachings have a built in internal force that discourages them from questioning their religious beliefs.

The truth is that you are unwilling to question your religious beliefs and this is why when confronted with truths that you can not handle you resort to demonizing the messenger. (Logical fallacy - Ad Hominem)

I understand so I do not take offence to such attacks.

What I do encourage you to do is contemplate, pontificate, "think", on the subject of why you are unable to question your beliefs.

Then you will be on a path to the truth rather than the path of man made dogma

 

Yea, it also leaves out all the people and prophets that proceeded Jesus, i.e. Moses, Noah, Abraham, etc. Poor Job, gets railroaded by God and the Devil in life, then has to spend eternity in Hell. Being a Believer just doesn't pay off.