Republicans Are Determined To Stop Renewable Energy

Yes! Your posts are nothing up to this point. Prove otherwise.

 

You really don't understand how debating works do you?

 

I never said anything about connecting the networks before and neither did you. You are dodging the exact wording. The government was the very first to come up with the idea of a worldwide network. I said nothing about connections. You're trying to dodge what is the real truth to cover for your inaccurate statement. I also noticed you did not challenge the links I posted as to what entity originally came up with the internet idea. It was government. You're a day late and a dollar short on this argument. It is what it is. The government started the internet. Anyone can think about connections once the idea is introduced. Trying to circle around the conversation isn't going to help you.

 

Up to his point there's been zero debate and all lib attacks with him.

 

Lol! "Just because the government built the ARPANET does not mean it would not have occurred without it". LOl! That one was great. Because it does not mean it would not have occurred doesn't mean it did either. Lol! That's the whole point of the argument. The gov. came up with the original idea. You blew it out the other end with that one. You folks are a lot of fun.

 

Yes I did. Go back and read it again and this time try to pay attention.

 

This position is idiotic. You take the tax credit and not alter your behaviour simply because you get it. If you aren't addicted to the credit, exactly what hook do you propose is sunk into you?

 

You should actually arrange your facts in order before you decide to spout off, lib.

How the Gov did - and didn't - create the Internet

 

Thank you. We agree that the govt involvement with the internet does not preclude the possibility the internet would have came about anyway.

The Chicago Bears founded the NFL. Does that mean that without the Bears there would have never been an NFL? No charge for the lesson.

 

Who says I took a tax credit?

I think I specifically said I did not, and don't care about tax credits in any way.

I created by solar panels because it works, its cheap, it lowers my natural gas bill, and it was a fun project.

Plus, I can still get as much hot water for long showers as I want, regardless of how much the Libs tax the snot out of gas.

If I could setup my own well, I'd do it.

If I could live completely off the grid, I'd do it.

Someday, maybe I will.

Someday, the whole stinking system, particularly the tax subsidies and big government, is going to collapse, and I'll still have a hot shower at the end of
day of labor.

I think you should re-read the whole series of posts on the subject.

I think maybe you should assume less, and work on reading comprehension.

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That was never the argument. You changed the original argument to keep from having you and your buddy explain the fact that he was wrong. Why you got into it to begin with is a mystery.

Lol! This is too ridiculous.

 

Sorry, I just have to say this:

How the (*)(*)(*)(*) can you tax the sun???? Am I going to be charged to inhale air next?

 

I know what I read and you know what you wrote. Bottom line connecting the networks is not the origination point of the internet. Go back and read my links which you have so far refused to engage.

 

Um...Kurmudgeon...speaking of reading comprehension...

You should reread what I wrote. I said you SHOULD take the tax credit and STILL not allow that fact to revise your behaviour. They don't 'got' you merely because you get some money back on your taxes.

 

Have you ever trained an animal, maybe dog?

The amazing power of CHEESE!

No Thanks, I'm not an animal. I won't be conditioned.

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Your links are meaningless. Government and private efforts to create computer networks with phone line modems were concurrent. When you google the subject, you find articles supporting and opposing the idea that government invented the internet depending on whether the author is a government worshipping statist like you or a liberty lover like me. The major breakthroughs that created the internet were by people who left the Arpanet project and went to the private sector because the DOD could accomplish nothing more than the creation of isolated networks. Any honest review of the facts can only conclude that there's no merit to the claim that the government "invented the internet". I've already read all sides of the issue and find that the statists revise history to create the impression that the internet was the result of a successful government project when in fact, the government side of it was a dismal failure and the private sector took up where the government dropped the baton.

 

In the late 1970's Jimmy Carter tried to get congress to pass a number of resolutions regarding incentives for builders and home owners installing solar power capability in all new construction and retrofitting existing buildings. He even had a system installed on the White House which was ripped off immediately by Reagan's crew as soon as they got in. I wonder what the implications would be for my home state, California today if Carter's plan had been followed and every house and commercial building built after '78 had a working solar power system? Since one of the main reasons for California's fiscal disaster is the huge ENRON rip off, it seems to me that the financial implications would be astronomical in my state benefitting everyone except the power brokers and charlatans like Ken Lay. The GOP has done everything in it's power to marginalize alternative energy programs for decades and the Democrats have only given lip service in these matters. Both political parties are in the pockets of the ruling elites who are heavily vested in oil and other fossil fuels.

Don't be fooled by their rhetoric, sir. Republicans are against solar power because it is a huge threat to the monopolistic oligarchs that control the party. Solar power works. I have a system on my house here in the high desert in Los Angeles County and my power bills average about $10.00 a month when they used to be about $270.00.

Cheers

 

Was it required that government be involved in any way for you to get your solar system up and working and saving you money?

 

Taxcutter says:
Solar power had the same problem in the 1970s it has today. It is intermittent and nobody wants to regiment their lives to nature.

Everybody that did put up solar panels decided they suck and pulled them off.

 

Good question. They think nothing is accomplished without government, evidenced by this push to advance the lie that government invented the internet. It's actually very sad to watch what sycophants they are in treating the government as the all powerful originator of all technological breakthroughs. If government doesn't do it, it can't be done.

 

Those with solar panels certainly do not have to "regiment their lives to nature" sir. Solar systems are usually tied into the existing grid and they act as a supplement. In my case, I have a battery storage unit which I have used several times when the power was down for hours. Imagine that, the whole neighborhood was dark and I had full power good for a couple days if need be. When I am not home and there is no power being used, my meter runs backwards while the sun is shining. They don't suck, and anyone pulls them off must be an imbecile. What you are saying is a sure indication that you have been misled and are ignorant regarding these matters. Educate yourself before you spout off.

Cheers

 

Myth: The problem was the solar system was installed incorrectly, and was causing a leak in the roof. When they reroofed, they had to take off the solar system, and it wasn't cost efficient to put it back in.The solar panels weren't removed until 1986 (Reagan was inaugurated in 1981).
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...813,2247187&dq=reagan+white+house+solar&hl=en

Interestingly, GW Bush had several solar panels installed on several buildings in the White House grounds. His personal house in Crawford Texas is quite energy efficient, using passive solar heating, a geothermal heat pump, and he gathers water in a cistern.

 

I got a ten thousand dollar federal tax credit for installing my system.

 

I'm just wondering about the forum ID you chose. Do you know what freedom means? How is people being forced to pay for others to install solar panels associated with freedom? Maybe freedom for you means the freedom to advance state power, steal and redistribute people's money, and create a command economy whereby government decides what industries thrive with artificial help. Maybe your version of freedom doesn't care about trampling on the freedom of others.

 

It won't be long before Oklahoma will be taxing people on the power they generate for THEIR OWN consumption. Either that or it will simply make the individual power generator remove their equipment, like a back mountain still. Oklahoma is an OIL STATE, godammit, you WILL use oil. Fecking with the monolith will not be tolerated.