What penalty should a woman who has an abortion face?

I voted none. I reject the idea that a fetus is a human and has the same rights as a human. It is not autonomous nor capable of independent thought. But if the fetus were a human, I find it particularly insulting that the woman is punished for it. She did not perform the procedure. We should be discussing the penalty for the abortion doctor.

 

I am not OK with it.

But in some cases it is necessary.

But almost always when such a thing is done it is because some religious nut was attempting to FORCE a girl to carry out the pregnancy to term when the pregnancy could have been terminated much earlier of the pregnancy could have been avoided entirely by using Plan B or Morning After Pills.

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Penalty for Abortion: Death by stones thrown by a group of human males in accordance with an ancient orthodox patriarchal social order, established in 4500 B.C.

And if any female survivors are brought back as prisoners, kill only the pregnant females, along with all the other children already born. However, spare the virgins, so that Moses and other important Patriarchs can impregnate them.

 

I am torn on abortion. Both sides make a compelling argument. Being that I am not a woman and do not have sex with women I don't have to face that question personally. So I selected other because I don't know.

 

Why shouldnt the woman be punished? If abortion is murder, then it is at the very least, the equivlent of hiring a hitman to murder your husband or wife or something. A woman in those circumstances would face 1st degree murder charges.

 

The abortion provider should be the one charged.

 

I don't believe someone who hires a hit man has done a worse crime than the person who actually carried out the murder.

 

I agree. I would say the crimes are equal. Wouldnt you? If a women only hires a hitman to kill someone, and the hitman does his job, would you be okay letting the woman walk free while jailing the hitman?


So if the crime is equal, then a women seeking an abortion, is no different than a woman seeking a hitman to kill someone.

 

If a fetus was a child, than yes. What I meant by the original post is that the one who should receive the harshest punishment is the doctor, not the woman. Of course, the woman should not get off for free, but the main crime has been committed by the doctor.

Of course, this hypothetical would be under the assumption that a fetus is a child, which I do not subscribe to.

 

Depends on race and money in the bank - just like the rest of our legal system.

 

Not quite. Sperm is the opposite of egg, not child. Thus masturbation is the equivalent of menstruation, not abortion.

 

Under the law, if it is a mindless, microscopic collection of cells, there is no crime, of course. If it is a viable human being in the third trimester of gestation, criminal charges are appropriate.

Extremists at one end of the spectrum demand that the State control the pregnancy from the instant of conception; those at the other end, that it should have no dominion until birth.

Normal folks understand that a "person" develops during the gestative process, as the law of the land astutely recognizes.

The fanatics of either extreme are free to proselytize about their radical beliefs, but not to arrogate the coercive power of government to intrude and impose them upon everyone else.

 

So you admit ignorance of the geometric science of topology.

That's not too surprising.

 

*looks at polls* Good. Most are sensible.

 

Your very emotional response is funny, but irrelevant.

The Mayor isn't the one supporting the murder of more than 500,000 young women every year.

You are.

Your anti-gay stance will be recorded in the appropriate DemocRAT National Committee offices.

 

She'll need to face God for eliminating a life she created.

 

What if she's an atheist? Go by her beliefs, and you're argument is bunk.

 

Lucky for her there is no god........

 

That's what's happens when she's too stupid to use birth control correctly, stopped by ignorance or Stupid Rodent Law from carrying a gun, and maybe just too immature to be trusted with the oversight of her own body.

It's also called "prevention of murder".']

Why do you LIKE murdering babies?

Do explain the following:

Why should a baby be punished because her mother is too stupid to use contraception effectively?

Aren't you opposed to the execution of convicted criminals?

 

If it's a mindless macroscopic collection of cells, it's an Obama voter.

Preventing infanticide is an "extreme" act? Good, cuz' "extremism in the protection of liberty is no vice".

NORMAL folks don't vote for Obama.

NORMAL folks don't murder their own children.

NORMAL folks don't support the murder of other people's children, not even by their very own mothers.

NORMAL folks recognize that MATURE women who make mistakes step up and take responsibility for their error, they don't try to flush their error down the toilet, pretend it was never alive, pretend it was never human, and pretend they have a right to commit murder.

You should read the Constitution some time. It allows the states to define "crime" and establish punishments for those convicted of "crime". Committing murder is a crime.

The Constitution DOES NOT give the federal government the authority to override the states definitions of crime, except where such definitions violate one or more parts of the Constitution. Since there IS NO "right" to commit murder, not even if the murderess is the child's mother, there is no valid US law stopping the states from regulating the murder of babies.

Since the Fourteenth Amendment extends the protections of the Constitution to ALL "persons", even unborn persons have had the legal protection against murder that born people do. Given that people are put into prison for killing "foeti", then the law already protects the unborn. (Go ahead, pretend Scott Peterson's "special circumstance" wasn't his murder of his own unborn son - liberal ignorance is FAMOUS!)

It's too bad you can't read the Constitution, but people who don't vote for Obama spend a lot of time reading the thing.

More important than just reading the Constitution Americans do something Obama voters cannot do - they THINK about what they've read.

 

You should sign up for a spot as a White House spokesman.

You ejaculate fertilized eggs!

Real men can't do that.

They'd NEVER apply for a job in the Obama Administration.

 

No, you are confused.

None of the 60 million Americans who twice elected the President was mindless or microscopic.

They are all actual persons who get you very upset.

Now, compose yourself, and try to cope with reality.

 

But why are you not okay with it, the fetus still fits within the definition of the Supreme court?

 

Why do you just automatically assume that the woman was too stupid to use birth control?

And Lets talk about this for a minute. If the freaking conservatives would get the heck out of the way and actually ALLOW comprehensive Sex Ed to be taught in school, There would be LESS ABORTIONS.

I mean honestly. You guys want less abortions, but then do everything in your power to stop the programs that will give you the desired results.

Of 5 western nations, teenagers ages 15-18 were polled. On average, they all have the same ammount of sex. However, a child in America is TEN TIMES more likely to have a teen pregnancy, or abortion. In the other 5 countries, comprehensive sex ed is taught, and contraception is made readily and freely available all over the place.


I also dont think life begins at conception. So as long as they have an abortion in the first trimester, I have no issues. I dont really approve of late term abortions though except for the health of the mother.

 

She can face all the gods, as long as the State does not presume to be one of them.