Up in Arms: Georgia Governor To Sign Controversial Gun Bill Wednesday

Except, it isn't paranoia, is it? Oh, before the law, it would have been. But now, any person in any of those places could have a legal weapon.

 

Yes it is paranoia. This law does not allow for weapons on a college campus. It does not prevent a business from preventing weapons in their business. What this law does is allow each citizen 21 years or older the right to carry most anywhere unless the establishment says no.

 

Except i'm in High School. And they DO allow it there. I'd rather not have to take my Kevlar to school with me. And how many businesses are gonna prevent it in a state with such a large percentage of supporters?

 

No not really. Most high schoolers are not 21. But now if you do not have a school resource officer that is armed, you can or a selected faculty member can carry for your protection. And if the school does not want weapons on campus they will elect not to.

Bad people are everywhere and they carry whether legal or not. Now those that wish to follow the law can carry as well. This law also does not change the fact that there are laws concerning the discharge of a weapon.

 

I know that bad people are everywhere. But I think it's reasonable that I don't trust people having guns and alcohol. Heck, i don't trust most of my teachers to give me an education, let alone protect me. And in airports, where it would be sensible not to have guns, there are now guns. I think it's also understandable that i'm not comfortable around people in church with weapons, because I don;t trust most of the people at church to not unload into the pews. I understand the need for some guns (Home protection, protection in the city, ext.), but this is just excessive to an insane degree.

 

Which begs the question: who the hell do you trust? The cops? Remember criminals don't care if you trust them or not, they will still be carrying a gun. If someone doesn't have a criminal record, I trust them with a gun more than someone with a criminal record.

In any case, you sound like a scared high school-er afraid of the guns. I hope you never carry one because I definitely don't trust you with a gun.

 

Again, I can't help you with your paranoia.

 

Except that paranoia would be staying home to avoid the guns. I'm saying that this is excessive, and I listed why I think that, and I listed what i think is reasonable.

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I trust the cops, exactly. I trust them much more than a civilian with a gun. No, I probably won't carry a gun. You just sound like an armchair general. And I certainly don't trust you with a gun.

 

No you don't have to stay home to be paranoid. And I have said what you think is reasonable is not, rather it is being paranoid. It is reasonable to be allowed to exercise our 2nd amendment rights. It is unreasonable for that right to be limited because someone is afraid of what someone else might do. You shouldn't have the right to take my rights away because you are afraid. You are not being reasonable in your thought process.

 

Hmm. Then how about I pose an alternative? We improve the way that permits are given? My "paranoia" can be sated since i'll know that the person with a gun is actually sane and can shoot straight, and you guys will get to keep the guns. I think that we can find some way to make us all either equally happy or equally unhappy.

 

Sorry.

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States

 

You're being illogical. As much as I am.

 

"Is that a glock in your pants or you just glad to see me?"

News for all the hand-flapping non Southerners. We've been driving around with guns in our cars down here for years and years, they were always about 50 yds away in the trunk if we really wanted to blow someone away, so this is much ado about nothing. Folks who haven't read it should check out the good old Heinlein book "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" where people can get put out an airlock into space for being rude. Makes for a very polite, civil population. Putting myself in criminal shoes, the last thing I want is average law abiding people carrying their registered firearms around on their bodies. It's NOT the people who will be getting permits legally who do crime.

Oh and finally, we don't start blasting like some roid rage bridge and tunneler down here merely due to having a few pops.

 

Start teaching kids Firearm Safety in school and maybe by the time they're adults the bed wetting over guns will calm down.

 

The reason they allow it is so someone present may be able to PROTECT you, not endanger you. The armed citizen is not someone with the intent of harming others. They are people who are concerned about their own safety and wish to be prepared should the need arise to at least try to defend themselves or their family. In the case of a gunman at a school where you are present, that armed citizen who was carrying a concealed weapon may just get the chance to turn the tables on the criminal and stop the damage earlier than if nobody present were armed and the school had to wait for law enforcement to arrive. There's no time to wait when someone is mentally unstable and willing to kill and die for their cause, so the armed citizen has potential to limit the casualties if they're in a position to be able to try.

Your worry about being in a cross fire, while a real potential in any shooting situation, is something normal citizens talk about, are trained to consider, and gun owners read and hear a reverberation that drones over and over to always know their surroundings, especially the area around and behind the intended target. Taking risky shots with innocents in the danger zone is a consideration every CCW permit carrier must think about because they're assured to have their weapon seized as evidence and their permit pulled, along with potential jail time, if they wrongly carry out their responsibilities as a CCW carrier. There will be an investigation and the person must be sure they need to fire because they'll be forced to defend the use of that weapon once the episode is over. It's not a game and people know they carry a heavy burden of responsibility by carrying a weapon within the guidelines of the law.

 

Yeah no.

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Most of this is the ideal situation with a gun carrier. I admit mine might be pessimistic, but I think it's better to assume everyone with a gun could kill me than everyone with a gun will protect me.

 

I don't see how I am being illogical at all. You want to negotiate who can carry a weapon and I provided you a quote from our first President on the subject. I don't negotiate my rights.

 

It was also said that only rich white guys that owned land could be in power, and George Washington himself owned slaves. Not to mention the fact that guns back then took a considerable amount of time to reload, and could only fire one round.

 

What country do you live in?

 

You are now being ridiculous and this debate with me is now over.

 

Of course everyone with a gun COULD kill you, but the statistics clearly show CCW carriers are not a threat to the public. Do you realize what Americans do when they are placed into high stress, incredibly dangerous situations? We saw it after 9/11, we see it locally after fires or auto accidents, and we see it in cities around the US when armed citizens stop someone intent to harm them or others. What we don't see is CCW permit holders going on these crazy rampages you fear. We see that from criminals, those with mental issues, and those with a point to make who feel like they have no other option (usually due to mental issues). Citizens in danger tend to help their fellow man. It's almost an instinct and we see it repeat itself over and over. We are a people who become heroes at very dangerous times without regard for their own safety. Humans are not inherently evil and if you've ever been in a life and death situation, you'd see others around you do things you would never suspect them capable of to help others. Ask a combat veteran, a first responder of any service (fire, medical or law enforcement), or someone who has faced a life threatening situation, how they felt, what happened around them, and if anyone around them helped just because they could. Your view of your fellow citizens may broaden, but you have to live it or hear it from someone you trust for it to make sense.

 

OOOOH! I am soooooo glad there is the whole pacific ocean between me and where THIS little social experiment is taking place

Shakes head - who would have thought that gun in bars was to make things SAFER

 

Then I really can't know until then. Generally, i have a pessimistic view of people. But, I will ask around some of my friends.

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Thanks for the rage quit.

 

After getting drunk later do you get it back when you leave the bar?

 

And the whining begins....