Pew Research- worldwide majority view homosexuality and abortion as immoral

"They're ignorant" (Michael Jackson voice). Though actually I always liked Mike, but it gets the point across here.

 

I don't believe in government restrictions on people's freedoms. I guess that makes me different from you.

 

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. (Romans 1: 18-32 KJV)

My faith has nothing to do with it. Christian doctrine treats homosexuality as a sin. Don't try to pretend that the Bible does not call treat it as such. As for what the Bible says,

Romans 13:1-7 (KJV) Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Sure because we all know the left gets public consent of the majority instead of judge shopping in liberal courts. Heck, even NPR is owning up that this whole gay marriage things is orchestrated by Rob Reiner who auditioned couples thinking they were being asked to do a documentary until he found his most charismatic plaintiffs to front his lawsuits.

 

according to Pew Research, the majority believe the homosexual lifestyle and abortion to be immoral. That is the result of the survey.

 

OK, OK, you're not going to answer my question. Never let it be said that I didn't give you the opportunity to be honest about who you really work for.

Suffice it to say that Jesus Christ on Nazereth, God the Father or the Holy Spirit is not commanding anyone on earth to make laws that dehumanize women or gays. The excuses that are being used to justify these egregious power grabs are as bogus as a fatwa written by Al Qaeda.

 

Yes. But that does not make either of those immoral.

 

Well of course they do... the rest of the world is not beholden to the politically correct bull(*)(*)(*)(*) of the left in America.

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Actually that's exactly what it does. Morality is determined by what society determines is "moral" or "immoral".

 

the thread is not about homosexual marriage. it is about how the majority of the world views the homosexual lifestyle and abortion

 

If the world decided that burnings were moral, then that would be moral? Lets not take a look at right or wrong here. lets just look at what a bunch of people think.

 

what is immoral changes from group to group. For example, there are some who feel that it's perfectly OK to rape little children. There are others who think it's OK to play the knockout game. There are some who think homosexual sex is swell and others who feel that it's moral and just to kill unborn babies.

Then, there are those who see the bigger picture. There are those who answer to a supreme being. That group is much larger and per this poll, the majority believe that the homosexual lifestyle and abortion are immoral

 

Ah! The RELIGIOUS view. That everyone that isn't your religion is unholy and wrong.

 

What is morality?

 

yes, that would be one religious perspective for some. But, in order for your well articulated comment to ring true then everyone in the "majority" as polled by Pew would need to share the same religion or reason for believing that the homosexual lifestyle and abortion are immoral.

Are you here to provide evidence that the majority in the poll all practice the same religion?

 

Translation: The more advanced that your society is, the more apt that you are to want something stuck up your butthole.

 

Or it suggests that the third world view of what morality is, is very, very different from what we in West consider moral.

Do you consider the Taliban to have more morality than say Canadians?

 

A bit off topic- but there is not a single New Testament passage which 'frowns' upon women having a homosexual relationship.

Now, Jesus does specifically condemn divorce and re-marriage(Jesus never condemns homosexuality).

Interestingly, while that is on the list of questions in the survey- no one here seems to find divorce to be the moral issue is that they find homosexuality and abortion to be.

And of course- divorce is the only one of these three issues that Jesus specifically condemned.

 

Does that mean that Jesus condoned it? No.

That is what smevins meant by people trying to "cherry pick" the subject. It is because of people like you, Jeff, that feel the need to speak for Jesus.

 

So NOW the right wants to surrender our sovereignty to the NWO? after all the hibhub about it the past few year?

 

huh?

this thread is about the survey conducted by Pew which shows that the majority of people in the world view the homosexual lifestyle and abortion as immoral.

 

The rest of the world? What, the first world nations that have already legalized gay marriage and have long legalized abortion? Or the ones that we unjustifiable invade? The ones in which we undermine democracy?

And I love people like you that think that your idea of morality = the ONLY idea of morality.

 

And what it clearly tells us is that tolerance of alternative views is strongly correlated with general sophistication, level of education, and economic affluence. So to repeat: Muslim, tribal African, and totalitarian nations find homosexuality and abortion unacceptable. First world countries do not. The message here is pretty clear.

 

LoL Of course there is a NT passage which frowns upon women having a homosexual relationship.

And Jesus did address homosexuality. He just didn't do so by name.

 

We really dont' know Jesus's view on homosexuality or abortion- but we do know his view on Divorce. I don't have to speak for Jesus- I can just quote him

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.

Pretty clear to me. Jesus would believe that New Gingrich is committing adultery- and is at least as 'sinful' as the homosexual committing adultery.

So lets talk about 'cherry picking'

The Pew Poll listed a bunch of 'morality' issues- and divorce was on the list- but the OP left divorce out. I.e. he cherry picked the issues- not me.

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Or at all.

 

Yes, the message is very clear. White people in general are okay with homosexuality, while darker-colored people in general are not.

 

Yes actually he did.

Matthew 19:9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery." 10 His disciples said to Him, "If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry." 11 But He said to them, "All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: 12 For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it."

Now... Jesus talks about three groups of people.

1) Eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb.
2) Eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men.
3) Eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

Now to start we'll address the 2nd two which appear to be quite obvious to me. #2 Eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men. The literal meaning of the word eunuch. Someone who was castrated by someone else. They did so, many times, because the male was expected to protect a woman and they didn't want him having any desire to have sex with her.

#3 Eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. It seems quite obvious to me these are people who have chosen to be celibate. They willfully chose not to desire women for the sake of the Kingdom of heaven.

Now we come back to #1 Eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb. I don't think it's reasonable to think there is a large enough population of people who were born without testicles for Jesus to address them in any way. It seems obvious to me that he's referring to homosexuals. People who were born without the desire to have sex with a woman. Jesus says these people are expected not to marry. As such, they're not allowed to act upon any sexual desires they may have for the same sex because they are not married and any willful act of doing so would result in sin.