Why Collective Bargaining Is a Fundamental Human Right

If I point a gun at you and demand you tell me your ATM pin, else I will shoot you, we are in a "negotiation" similar to the one you describe.

 

Oh ok. Good to know. Thanks.

 

Well that's comically delusional

 

Unions have seen their time and place.In fact Unions produce incompetence.
because Union workers can always scream foul at the drop of a workplace
problem and basically have a work stoppage.Look at how the Unions destroyed
American Airlines.Now American Airlines and US Airways are fighting among themselves
over union coverage.Or which union has precedent.
Unions are obviously more trouble than their worth.
The Days of Big Labor need to end.

 

I think that's up to state law since some states have right to work and some don't.

 

I have no experience owning or running a company who has union employees. But if I did own one and could hire both union and non-union employees, I would offer the non-union people more just to make a point.

 

Union guy comes to the CEO and says: "Give everyone a raise, or we will go on strike and shut your factory down." Not so different in my view.

 

So I guess all union members make hundreds an hour with that kind of power

 

LOL, strawman much?

 

Many of them already indirectly do by the efforts of the employee to put out a superior product given the tools to do the job properly by the company. As a rule, unions don't price business out of the market; poor products, services and high executive salaries/decisions contribute to the demise of a company.

 

You're claiming they can demand and get whatever they want...as if there isn't arbitration available to settle contract disputes.

 

Tell that to the firefighters who pull people out of burning buildings everyday or the paramedics who save untold lives daily or the police who are out there putting their lives on the line to keep you as safe as possible or the truck driver who delivers food to the supermarket or drugs to the pharmacy so you can get your food and/or medications, the list goes on and for you to call them the lowest and least valuable workers is an insult to them and the working people of America. Some day Americans are going to wake up to the value of being represented by a labor organization and prove your viewpoint wrong.

 

You really have no clue what your talking about don't you? Have you ever been in a union before? I doubt it based on your statement.

 

No I'm not. I'm saying that the threat of union strike is analogous to holding a gun to the head of the business to force them to do things that are bad for the business. You claim its a negotiation, I claim its a "do it or else" demand. When you strip away all the BS, It's really just an old fashioned protection racket.

 

Except the workers also suffer during a strike and if the business folds.

 

Do they? if they have a dispute with the employer they have to pay all costs (lawyers, arbitration, etc.) out of their own pocket.

 

In right to work states, non-union members are covered by the union negotiated contract without paying any of the costs of negotiation. This is just wrong in my opinion. those who refuse to participate in collective action, should be denied the benefits of that collective action.

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Then they are still free riders and slugs.

 

How many people need a lawyer or arbitrator? It is a rare thing. Look, most people don't go about their job as a union member often does. It is more often the case that a union member would need those services. So, therefore, I am right. The non-union counterpart would, at the same wage, bring home more to their families.

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In other words, they are free.

 

How are people being denied the right to collective bargaining? You mean collective bargaining is only a right if workers have no choice but to join a union?

 

Having worked non-union construction, I have seen employers abuse and mistreat employees and they have had no recourse except to quite. In Union shops, the employee has much more protection from that type of abuse and mistreatment. This is especially true in large companies, where things like wage-theft can be institutionalized.

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no they are thieves, stealing the hard work of those who negotiated the contract without contributing their fair share.

 

We don't live in the dark ages. We are far past the industrial revolution. Unions have pushed themselves into a corner, their numbers are dropping, their need has diminished. I watched the union based printing industry in Dayton Ohio go from the largest to practically nothing because of unions. They cut their own industry to ribbons, lost their jobs, and are too stupid to realize it was their own doing.