Gay Rights

I'm a gay man myself and I've been intimately involved in the gay rights movement for many years. I know we've had a number of victories with marriage equality recently but I think it's time to take it to the next step. We need to look at what homosexualism really is on a philosophical level.

Homosexualism is really about a loving and consensual relationship between men and boys. This can be seen in traditional societies where the ancient Greeks had a social institution of pederasty to the bacha bazi boys of Afghanistan to the lady boys of Thailand etc. homosexuality is about man/boy love.

That's why I think we really need to have a discussion about age of consent laws that discriminate against gays who are in loving consensual relationships. You'd be surprised how advanced sexual development is in young people. There was a recent article in Slate magazine about a camp for boys aged 12 to 2 who want to explore their gender identity in a non judgemental environment. Human sexuality is so fluid and awesome that we can't just stick to arbitrary rules that exclude loving relationships. What do you guys think?

 

Since sex is nothing more than a pleasurable sensation there is no reason to deny it to children but allow it for adults. As much as I agree with you, I think we also need to be mindful of the challenges facing older gay men. As an aging gay man myself, I know that I have put great time and effort into making myself look like a young boy but the money I've accumulated by foregoing women and a family can only take me so far. We aren't all rich Hollywood directors who can mentor young would-be actors and in doing so sidestep our own putrescence.

A closely related issue is the fact that twinks are more likely to be disease-free and eliminating age of consent laws would cut down on the transmission of STDs. It's probably the best way to fight AIDS within the gay community since (*)(*)(*)(*) knows none of us are going to use condoms.

Point is, these are all interconnected issues and the best way to deal with them is to acknowledge the whole picture.

 

I agree. Richard Dawkins made some good points recently:

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/10/ric...dophilia_says_it_does_not_cause_lasting_harm/

Everybody has a right to explore their assigned bodies and assigned genders. If young boys had some "hands on" instruction from our sexual diversity coordinators in the schools they wouldn't grow up to be so intolerant and hateful and homophobic. I work as a sexual diversity coordinator at a kindergarten. Sexual diversity classes are a special time for the boys and I. Everybody has a sucking the Popsicle contest and then I show them how to put condoms on cucumbers with their mouths and then we all cuddle up together in a group hug. Then I turn out the lights so the light can't disturb our thoughts and we can use our imaginations! Then we talk about our gender and our bodies and how we can explore them with each other.

 

Arguments in support of pedophilia in this thread.

 

Sir, Mr. Richard Dawkins is a leading atheist with a long history at Oxford. This is the man who authored The Blind Watchmaker. If his reason leads him to support the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing of young boys by older men I think you should be humbled to disagree.

 

Whoa no you've got me all wrong guy. I'm just saying that age is pretty arbitrary and that young boys need to learn how to explore their gender and sexuality. I'm not advocating anything illegal. Those charges against me were all lies. That little four-year-old brat was a liar and a snitch.

 

I think you're simply a pedophile.

 

So if my twink is 15 years. 364 days old I'm a pedophile but if he's 16 years old I'm not? Come on dude! We can't just have an arbitrary cut off point like that. I told you it disproportionately harms gay man. Aren't you for gay rights? Why are you hating on gays dude?

 

Age is very arbitrary, but we as a society have placed limits on actions based on age...we don't send children to war, we don't allow children to work in most circumstances...

No one can argue that children have not fought in wars or worked...but we have chosen as a society to limit many actions in which children participate.

You can not change one practice in which we restrict children... while allowing all the other restrictions. So if you want to (*)(*)(*)(*) kids, you have to get society to change all their attitudes on the restrictions of children than just sex.

 

I think you've got me wrong. I don't have those kind of relations with my students. I just teach them to open their minds and explore new experiences in the realm of gender fantasies and homosexuality. I don't know why everyone is trying to paint it in a creepy light. I just think we need to recognise as a society that age of consent may not best be set by an arbitrary numerical age. Age and gender and sexuality are all fluid and changing and we need to recognise the rights of gay and trans men.

 

How does it harm you? Since you are the one advocating for a sexual relationship with someone that is 15...male or female, how does any age limit harm you?

 

As I stated we set arbitrary age limits on all sorts of practices...not just sex..so whats you point. We set the age at 18 in most cases because this is the lawful age one can enter into a contract. We don't allow 5 year olds to sign contracts.

Like I stated, you want to change arbitrary limits give a salient argument on how it benefits the child and you.

 

I already explained in the OP how it disproportionately effects gay men. Did you know 34% of all child molestation charges are against homosexual men who make up only 2% of the population? Do you realise how many gay men are in prison just because they had a loving relationship with someone who happened to be under the arbitrary age limit set by a bunch of homophobes? Why are you hating on gays man? Just let it go. We need to change these laws that are discriminating against gays.

 

Your post makes me sick.

 

Then clearly you're a homophobe. Everyone has a right to learn how to explore their genders and their body. That's what gay rights and sexual diversity workshops are all about. You need to get out of the 1950's dude and realise that love comes in many different forms just like gender. What need to stop hating on gays.

 

Gee nobody saw the whole pedo angle coming as soon as gays got marriage...

 

Nobody has you wrong, Ted Bundy. You are a gay pedophile who thinks society should approve of your exploitation of boys. You try to drag out the same old arguments that have always been used and they don't work for heterosexuals and they don't work for homosexuals.

I can understand your position and the position of Roman Polanski. When you can't impress anyone over the age of 13, it's a problem whether you're gay or straight.

"I work as a sexual diversity coordinator at a kindergarten. Sexual diversity classes are a special time for the boys and I. Everybody has a sucking the Popsicle contest and then I show them how to put condoms on cucumbers with their mouths and then we all cuddle up together in a group hug. Then I turn out the lights so the light can't disturb our thoughts and we can use our imaginations! Then we talk about our gender and our bodies and how we can explore them with each other."

I find it quite offensive that a pedophile is trying to use gay rights as a cover for his perversion.

If you want to have sex with a 12-year old, trying sitting all alone in your bedroom and masturbating.

 

Why do pedophiles think they are doing their victim a favor by ruining a kids life?

 

Satire can be confusing to some people.

 

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