Putin Tells West: Don't Mess with Russia, We got Nukes

Congress is broke and making all of government look like it's broke, that was the republicans goal all along, they are succeeding in destroying this country from the inside, congradulations

 

Congressional approval ratings have been low for a long time. Sorry you just cant blame the Republicans for that. The whole two party system has failed us.

 

Race cards, for the record, are the other way around. If you see everything through a prism of race, you will find race wherever you look... this appears to be the case. Yes there are racists on all sides. Some don't realize that defending a president only because he is black is one of the most pathetic kinds of racism... it implies they cannot defend themselves and require help from others... and that what they do must be excused, as if they are retarded. I find it most distasteful.

I don't care if you see them or not. Believe me... there are heaps of conservatives here who voted for Obama, and would be loathe to admit it now out of shame. If you construct your forum searches carefully, you can find them. I know a GREAT many conservatives who looked on Obama's election, regardless of their vote, with hope and pride for our nation... embracing a post-racial America. I know a great many (and chances are, I hang out with a lot more of them than you do) who saw a great opportunity to bridge the gap in race relations. I know a great many who were utterly let down by this president, as they watched the divide get ripped apart.

You are not the arbiter of truth. His popularity worldwide can be measured in low attendance at his appearances. In cold shoulders from long time allies such as Germany and Israel. The middle east is a nightmare, and the world knows why. That gallup poll is pre-Snowden, the first year of Obama's re-election from a sample of 1000 people in various countries with numerous caveats.

I wouldn't drop all of my hope in this bucket... you already did that... twice.

 

(Sigh) In order to refute an argument you must demonstrate that its facts, assumptions, or logic are flawed. I asserted that there is a hatred of Obama that is far out of the norm, even for politics. I provided examples, and asked if you could provide examples of such things happening to other Presidents. You provided counter examples that are either irrelevant to the question or not even remotely comparable to the original examples you provided. That's not a refutation, that's an evasion.

As I already stated, I don't know what you're thinking, and don't claim to. I am saying that you are repeating talking points and joining in attacks originally motivated by racism. I would also point out that racism is something you do, not something you are.

I am simply asking the same question until I get a non evasive answer. I've given you several possible very simple ways to refute my position. Heck, I've practically written an instruction manual for you. If you see that as a game that's been stacked against you, that's probably because you simply don't have a good answer.

I do not see racists behind every bush. I see racism in the stoking of the irrational, all consuming personal hatred of Obama that's tearing the country apart. It is only that particular thing that I am asserting is motivated by racism, nothing else.

Yes and no. You're right that Congress has always had low approval ratings and that the system has always suffered from a certain amount of partisan gridlock. However, the situation has gotten dramatically worse in the last few years. And that is very clearly due to certain groups of Republicans.

I was simply expanding the metaphor of a race card to make a point. And as I've said, I don't see everything through the prism of race. In fact, it's with great reluctance that I've come to the conclusion that racism is the driving force in the current situation. I've very clearly told you how to change my mind and get me to apologize, and you haven't. I'd be very happy if you did. And I'm not defending Obama simply because he's black. In point of fact, for most of this discussion I haven't really been defending Obama at all, but questioning the motives for the attacks against him. Actually, there are several things Obama has done that I disapprove of and will criticize him for myself. Oddly, most conservatives don't seem to attack him for things he's actually done wrong, but instead resort to the kind of phoney attacks we've seen here. That really puzzles me - I don't get it at all.

Simply counter accusing anyone who talks about racism of themselves being racist is a reflexive and meaningless response. I've talked about specific issues, given specific examples, and given a specific criterion that would convince me to change my position and apologize. So tell me, do there have to be white hoods and burning crosses involved before you'll allow that racism might be involved, and one could bring up the topic without automatically being labeled a racist?

Then perhaps I'm wrong. I rather hope I am. However, on what basis do you attribute the racial divide getting ripped apart to Obama? You really need to start taking a more critical look at the credibility of your news sources.

No, I am not the arbiter of truth, and neither are you. You could measure Obama's popularity by attendance at his events, but you haven't. Measuring involves actual numbers, establishing a baseline for comparison, and controlling for other variables. This requires actual work. Work that Gallup is quite good at. All polls have caveats and all are only approximations, with significant margins of error. That Gallup discusses those in detail is why they're a highly credible and respected organization. Trying to discredit a Gallup poll with a couple of unsubstantiated anecdotes is a bit on the ridiculous side, don't you think?

When did Obama get a cold shoulder from Germany, btw?

Getting a cold shoulder from Israel is a plus for a President's competence in foreign affairs.

 

I guess you were asleep the 8 years prior.

In the age of protected classes, I have found one universal truth of American culture. Fat people, and southerners are fair game for ridicule. You can say anything you want about either without label or fear of retribution.

In my experience, in the rural south, amongst whites, there is an overtone of racism that is palpable.

In my experience, in the urban north, amongst blacks, there is an overtone of racism that is palpable.

In my experience, in the rural south, amongst blacks, there is an overtone of racism that is palpable.

Need I go on? There are other directions... and peoples. Have you done any research in child psychology as it pertains to race? "My people are good... these others aren't" is an overriding theme. I am guessing this does not surprise you. Ignorance breeds racism. Ignoring an ignorance in culture is ignorance... and as it pertains to race, racist. Being honest is hard. Let's try to do the hard thing together.

Interjecting opinion in the Trayvon Martin case before any evidence is presented. Replacing the prosecution. Rallying the black community with federal representatives and federal funding before evidence is presented after firing those who opted not to prosecute. For hitching his wagon to ANY race born news reported controversy on the side of "black". "The police acted stupidly".

You appear to be clever, with a hint of integrity. If you would like some intellectual debate on the topic, drop the swords. I put in work. I represent the origin of my beliefs with credible sources.

After Snowden.

Not in the world of reality, but perhaps inerudite hope.

That's funny... in a capital B way... and probably not as sincere as you meant it.

 

Putin is a goofball. He's not going to use any nukes. He's just desperate because he's run his country into the ground economically and wants to look "strong" and distract from the fact that Russia is in the toilet in almost every way.

 

I think both Putin and Obama are reasonable people. They seem like the most calm among all the others in government these days. Maybe they should just get together to discuss things, work out a deal and leave all the strident voices behind. I like Putin as a man, but wish he'd drop all this "big stick" stuff.

 

You certainly have a point about fat people, although I tend to think some southerners have a bit of a persecution complex. I don't really have much experience with that sort of thing, so it's just an impression and I could be wrong.

That pic is really extremely offensive. And dumb. I mean, who would insult poor innocent chimpanzees like that? I'm joking, I'm joking. In seriousness, I do find that sort of thing stupid and a bit offensive, especially when directed at a President. Even a President I really don't like.

You're right, and in the urban north, amongst whites, there is an overtone of racism that is palpable as well.

There's more than enough anger and resentment to go around, and certainly no one group has a monopoly on it. I've read some stuff in the popular media about those parts of child psychology, so no, that isn't a surprise to me. I'm of the opinion that all forms of bigotry and prejudice are really the same thing, regardless of who they're directed at. It's all just us vs them.

I'll have to read up a bit on the Trayvon Martin case.

Well, thank you, I consider that quite a compliment. I try my best to return the sort of treatment I get.

Oh, right, that's a good point.

Well then, for the moment let's just say we have rather different attitudes about Israel.

I know, right? My fingers kept wanting to capitalize that B when I was typing it.

 

Probably not.

 

Putin is playing to the Russian Home Crowd....that in about 6 months will be calling for Putin's HEAD!

AboveAlpha

 

Putin was an idiot for saying it, but the void of leadership displayed by our president has left the door wide open for such comments.

 

Oh, so Obama should have said, "Hey, we have nukes too?"

Dear god. Everyone knows the nuke thing is an empty threat. Obama has done just fine letting Putin look like the idiot he is.

The best thing Obama could do is to ignore this moron.

Putin is ****ed. He knows he has very few allies left. He's desperate. His country is in the crapper. He has isolated his country from most of the world.

The guy is a ****ing moron. All he has left is hubris. He's not going to start a nuclear war.

Good lord, wake up people. Putin failed his country in so many ways, it's ridiculous. He is probably the worst leader they have ever had.

Russia has never been in a worse place than with Putin.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-truth-about-russias-economy-2014-3

This is not up for debate. Putin is a terrible president. But doe of you seem to worship the guy. I find that more than disturbing.

 

You don't ignore Russia.

Worship the guy? Because we don't fall at Obama's feet, we are now Putin followers? I guess that makes sense to you.

 

Present an arguement that is worthy of being refuted. You mentioned a bunch of isolated cause and in your opinion race was a factor. You want me to disprove your opinion? Sorry not interested in a back and forth (*)(*)(*)(*) slinging exercise so you can think everyone but you is a racist.

 

NATO is at Russia's doorstep; in Turkey just for starters-right on Russia's border. Then there's Poland bordering Ukraine...and, of course, Alaska.

 

To a point yes but Georgia and Armenia/ Azerbaijan block the way. Along with the Naval base in Crimeria. Gee i wonder why NATO wants Ukraine and Georgia to join.

 

Riiight, so you think the President of Russia needs the permission of the President of the US to make comments?

So anyone who doesn't foam at the mouth at the mere mention of Obama's name is falling at his feet? I guess that makes sense to you.

Funny way to concede an argument, but hey, whatever floats your boat. I laid out a specific argument with logic and examples to support it. If you find the argument unassailable, then just say so.

We should have invited Russia to join Nato back in the naughts. It's a shame we missed the opportunity.

 

Yes i concede that you view everything based on race. Sorry.

 

In exactly what way does Turkey directly border Russia?

 

Look at a map. Georgia was an integral part of Russia until very recently. You think Putin gives a damn about her independence given what we're seeing with Ukraine?

 

Georgia is not Russia. Why can't you just admit you were wrong?

 

Neither is Ukraine-now, but it was. Does Putin care? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=t...ay-have-global-impact-says-analyst%2F;642;421

Then of course we have just a few miles of ocean between Russia and the USA.

 

Slight difference: Georgia existed as an independent kingdom for centuries and it's existence even predates that of Russia.

 

Is that what I said? I don't remember saying any of that. You do seem to think you know what is everyone's mind. It doesn't seem to matter that you are wrong.

 

I think it's more of a question of whether NATO can affored to get too close to Russia's proverbial door step.