Muslim-Americans since September 11

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While funding them abroad.

Saudi Arabia and ISIS are two sides of the same coin. The only time the Saudis care about terrorism is when it threatens the Saudis.

 

Which is the truth, since more than "just a few" Muslims are jihadists.

 

There are 2 reasons.

First, every action has a reaction. And in many cases, the attacks in US were reactions to actions by the US govt which include foreign policy decisions that can only be called criminal. Taliban is the bad guy today yet it was Reagan who met the Taliban leaders who met their leaders and said they reming him of the founding fathers. Taliban, Saddam and a host of other thugs were mere thugs a little while ago. It was the US who provided them arms and power to become large organisations. The US thought they would word as paid thugs but fortunately or unfortunately they eventually turned against the US.

US has destroyed the nations of Afghanistan and Iraq among others. It claims to be at war at those countries yet when they suffer any retaliation, why do you not think it is justifiable?

As far as Hamas is concerned, you only have to look at the history of the country. The Palestinians were and are the majority population who lived in the land. It was the Israelis who came in, stole their land and force them to live as refugees in their own land. Anyone else in their place would fight back and Hamas for whatever its flaws, is the only way they can see of doing so. If you could point any other options, I am sure they did be glad to take it.

Second, I just saw this news report on my FB feed today:
Muslims rally against extremism in Germany
Muslims rally against extremism in Germany
Now tell me, there are murders committed every day in the US. However, I can't recall the last time Americans protested against these murders. Does that mean that all Americans are equally guilty of those murders and should be sentenced to death?

 

oh look another bigoted lie

 

Isn't that exactly what the US does? Funds terrorists when it suits them and fights them whenever they become a threat to the US directly?

 

You obviously know nothing at all about Saudi Arabia or Sunni Islam. Are you completely unaware that the Saudis have been supplying intel on potential threats to the US and Europe for well over a decade?

 

On Thursday,in Australia (Brisbane and Sydney) 600 police conducted raids in several suburbs
and detained 25 suspected terrorists based on intelligence reports that a random member of the public
was going to be captured and beheaded in Martin Place (Sydney CBD) and covered with the ISIS flag, and the beheading videoed for the world to see...by captured, I mean taken from the street and beheaded on the spot...
The muslim response to this was to hold a protest that night to complain about police harassment....
Then today, we have many Australians complaining about the plans to build a mosque on the Sunshine
Coast....I wonder why...........

 

Any Muslim who doesn't desire a Caliphate with the Quran as the law of the land is not a true Muslim. How can one oppose God's demands, theologically ?

 

Where in Islam is there a requirement for a caliphate?

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Where in Islam is there a requirement for a caliphate?

 

You should really educate yourself on the topic of Islam. You will be stunned.

 

Got it. So unless they rally about it in DC, they don't care.

You're just looking for a reason to be mad at all muslims.

 

Not exactly. We fund the people who eventually turn into the terrorists.

 

There is NO mandate for a Caliphate in Islam....

 

The notions of "houses" or "divisions" of the world in Islam such as Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb does not appear in the Qur'an or the Hadith. Early islamic jurists devised these terms to denote legal rulings for ongoing islamic conquests almost a century after Muhammad. The very first use of the terms was in Iraq by Abu Hanifa and his disciples Abu Yusuf and Al-Shaybani. On the other side, in the Levant, Al-Awza'i was leading in this discipline and later Shafi'i.

Contemporary Islamic scholars have argued the inapplicability of this early philosophical division of the world, citing its lack of scriptural backing.



2 Major religious divisions 2.1 Dar al-Islam
2.2 Dar al-Harb
2.3 Dar al-Amn

3 Other ideological perceptions and international relations 3.1 Dar al-Hudna
3.2 Dar al-'Ahd
3.3 Dar al-Dawa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_the_world_in_Islam

 

I'm not saying Islam isn't a well-evolved conquering religion and political system..

 

Yep. In Australia you don't see Muslims being thankful that the beheading plot against their fellow Australians was foiled. They're not grateful that the "tiny minority of extremists" in their midst have been removed. No, these "moderate Muslims" are much more concerned about being "targeted" by the police. Whenever they commit a terrorist attack, they wind up their victimhood machine to deflect attention away from them and their motivations. They learned this strategy from the left.

 

You might take your own advice.. There is NO Caliphate in either the Koran or the Hadiths....

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I didn't know you were living in Australia, Brewskier.

 

Hate to break it to you guy, but Afghanistan has been destroyed since 1979, nice try though.

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=YpT93oHXFLAC&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=We+took+the+liberty+to+make+some+inquiries+concerning+the+Grounds+of+their+pretensions+to+make+war+upon+a+Nation+who+had+done+them+no+Injury,+and+observed+that+we+considered+all+mankind+as+our+Friends+who+had+done+us+no+wrong&source=bl&ots=9bvK7cWfBj&sig=N7xyiI_KER2Wj-v16uUG4Toig60&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qLgdVIe7B-OziwLOxICYDQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=We%20took%20the%20liberty%20to%20make%20some%20inquiries%20concerning%20the%20Grounds%20of%20their%20pretensions%20to%20make%20war%20upon%20a%20Nation%20who%20had%20done%20them%20no%20Injury%2C%20and%20observed%20that%20we%20considered%20all%20mankind%20as%20our%20Friends%20who%20had%20done%20us%20no%20wrong&f=false

It's unfortunate for leftists who want to defend Muslims like they defend any non-white, non-Western minority member. It's unfortunate for those who hate the West and want to blame it for all of the world's problems, even while they continue to sit comfortably in the West and reap the benefits. It's unfortunate for Ron Paul-esque "blowback theory" Libertarians who view our foreign policy as the genesis of the Islamic world's animosity. The truth is, Muslims have been at war with us from the very beginning of the country, long before the creation of Israel, long before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, long before we overthrew any of their dictators, etc. You guys just don't understand the religion of Islam and how billions of Muslims can interpret it this way. That's your problem.

 

I don't know all non white, non Western minorities, do YOU?

 

Can't argue with this truth.

No terrorist attack is justifiable.

As far back as the 1830s, British records show a Jewish majority in Jerusalem.

Maybe they could try to have friendly relations with Israel, rather than electing terrorist organizations who call for the complete oblideration of the State of Israel.

What part of the constitution tells U.S. citizens to wage Jihad against any non-Americans?

 

Exactly.

And the US has had a big hand in demolishing it even further.

I would rather look at what the Quran says about this topic and am yet to find such statements there.

 

Glad to see you have a better understanding of US foreign policy than most Americans.

But self defense certainly is isn't it?

Can you provide a source for that?
Even by the most generous estimates, at the time of creation of Israel, Jews owned constituted no more than 30% of the population and 7% of the land. This despite a great influx of Jews in the 1940s

How exactly do you maintain friendly relations with a nation who is trying to destroy you? From day 1, the state of Israel has tried to grab land, wage war and destroy the Palestinians. Ever heard of the Likud charter?
The US response to a single bomb attack on their soil was to destroy 2 entire countries yet despite continuous land grabbing, crimes and massacres by the Israelis, Palestinians are still supposed to turn the other cheek.

And that is relevant how? I would suggest a better understanding of Islam as well as what the word Jihad means. Jihad simply means struggling to be a better person and fighting against injustice. Just spreading the word of God is Jihad. Writing an article about an injustice is jihad. What part of the US constitutions deems that a crime?

 

What topic? Your argument was that US actions are what caused the animosity in the Muslim world. I just gave you an example from 228 years ago that shows the same animosity, long before any of the US actions that you could name.