The Utter Failure of Obama

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  1. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I take it you're in a goofy mood.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A quick history of the ACA using RCP Averaging:

    Date…......for..against
    Nov 09….38%…53%
    May 10….40%...53%
    Nov 10….38%....54% Republicans gain 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats, Obama approval rate 45% approve 49% disapprove
    May 11….39%....52%
    Nov 11….39%....49%
    May 12….39%....49%
    Nov 12….42%....47% Obama wins presidential election, Obama Approval rate 51% approve 47% disapprove
    May 13….39%....49%
    Nov 13….39%....53%
    May 14….41%....52%
    Today…..41%....51% Obama Approval rate 42% approve 53% disapprove

    RCP averages on President Obama foreign policy approval rating:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval_foreign_policy-2821.html

    Just one thing here, it is way too early to judge President Obama. Historians will tell you they need a good 20 years after a president leaves office to give him an acruate rating or ranking among other presidents. This times allows the partisan effect to ebb and for historians to see how a president's policies effect the nation. Remember, President Truman left office with one of the lowest approval ratings outside of Richard Nixon and George W. Bush, 39%. Yet years later President Truman is ranked as one of the near great presidents.
     
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    Ex-lib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That shows how wrongly you understand what the Tea Party is.
     
  4. ronmatt

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    Obama got elected...twice...I doubt we can "lower the standards" much more. Maybe McDonald's can have one of those 'scratcher' contests every 4 years. With one winning ticket. 'Congradulations, you've won. You're now POTUS..you can claim your prize on January 21st of next year.'
     
  5. Johnny-C

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    I consider ANY commercial news outlet and most others to have a bias or agenda. Some of my views are moderate and others are liberal/conservative.

    Using the internet, other media and basic research skills... I come to conclusions that 'I' believe are best. Being reasonable, I respect the absolute reality that even though I'm not always moderate, liberal or conservative... I WILL have to compromise in this world, because I'm not the only person living in it.

    I used to watch FOX News 'religiously', my friends had to peel me off of it. I know that bias of many other outlets also. It's pretty easy to see that compared to other Presidents however, Barrack Obama is as successful if not better than others we've known.

    The anti-Obama, political hype... is what it is. And FOX is the heaviest source of it I've encountered.
     
  6. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No I get it, I wasn't attacking you personally, I was targeting those who fit the description of what I listed above. I'm glad you do not.
     
  7. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    There is a REASON the Founding Fathers chose/decided that a CIVILIAN would be Commander in Chief. And the proper military advisers can/will steer a President well. The President need not be battle hardened or experienced, only properly and competently informed.

    In a world where we can literally END life on the planet in a few button pushes... I much prefer having a man who is more of a THINKER in charge, than a 'warrior'. In fact, I'd strongly suggest that ISIS (and other terrorists) picked the wrong U.S. President to bother with. Mr. Obama may not 'grandstand' or 'pose' in hyper-macho fashion (as other Presidents surely have)... but seeing his record, I wouldn't say he's 'soft' on this nation's enemies.
     
  8. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh my goodness you both missed the point. I'm embarrassed for you.
     
  9. Johnny-C

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    Okay, see it your way.

    I spent 35 years in the military; I'm pretty sure I have a decent view of how our government should work.
     
  10. Johnny-C

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    Or more to the truth of the matter---You can't argue with the points made in #8 because you CAN'T dispute the accomplishments!!!!!!
    And I wholly disagree with you on your point that if OBAMA was white he would of never have gotten elected,,got any evidence to back that statement up?
     
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    Anything I could say to you, would be taken as a racist comment, so I'll just counter with a little different view of Mr. Obama, many of which counter the list on post #8. The list is rather long and each lie, has an interesting source.

    http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies



    As for being Black, helping him to become President...here's a view from someone who PC say's can't be a racist....but there are many others that agree.


     
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    You are referring to the people in power, I am referring to the people NOT in power.
     
  14. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    35 years, eh? What branch? Nowadays, they shove you out the door at your 20.
     
  15. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    I am pretty sure Obama didn't get Osama Bin Laden. I am real sure Seal Team 6 got Osama Bin Laden. As I recall, Obama got too queezy and left the situation room to play spades with Reggie Love when Seal Team 6 killed Bin Laden. And what interrogation technique did Obama use to get Khalid Sheik Mohammed to divulge the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden? Oh right, waterboarding, something Obama claimed is barbaric. No, Obama gets no credit for this one. He simply made a politically expedient decision that would have gotten him impeached if he decided not to order Seal Team 6 into Pakistan.

    Oh, the rest of the list is erroneous and a misrepresentation of the facts.
     
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    Demonstrating the errors or correcting the facts would be a more compelling response.




     
  17. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    You may be correct in that, however, you may not be aware that this may be the 100th time Iriemon has posted this same list and each of those 100 times, many, including myself have blasted holes in the distortions contained on the list. I would hope you would agree that the notion that Obama got Bin Laden is ludicrous as others and myself have already pointed out. Does that one ludicrous item taint the entire worn out list that Iremon presented? I believe it does. Of course, there are other items on the list which are equally as dubious. For example, the notion that Obama's stimulus package saved 2 to 3 million jobs is rather far fetched as well. The Obama Administration itself took down the stimulus web page because the claims were being checked up on and found to be fallacious. Even the Obama Administration is not making that claim anymore. Furthermore, one could argue that the reckless spending by the Democrats in the first two long and miserable years of the Obama Administration may have discouraged job hiring and capitol investment by businesses and that the stimulus give-away may have easily killed more jobs than it created. And while we are on the subject, remember that the Recovery.gov website listed 5000 jobs saved by giving money to Solyndra.

    So is two laughable items on the list enough to convince you? If not, how many is required?
     
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    http://thehill.com/policy/finance/195181-cbo-says-obama-stimulus-still-helps-economy

    The CBO doesn't think the 2-3 million number is far-fetched.
     
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    Well, disproving none of them is required. I'm skeptical of a couple of them. I would have actually given Obama Bin Ladin (Obama was in office and commanding the military when Bin Ladin was captured, so he should get credit for that job). It's a small item anyway. The stimulus package one was the first I thought to object to. Recovering all jobs lost in the worst recession of 80 years is a bit deceptive... pretty sure those jobs were all "recovered" with McJobs.

    But taking pot-shots at a few of those items isn't that convincing, overall it's a pretty compelling list.

    To address it effectively I think each point has to be explored. Some points will be conceded (credit where it's due), others challenged, and some outright disproved. It's a big job, not sure I have time for it. Not sure anyone else would bother. Gotta give credit to Irie for building it though. It's a compelling presentation. Makes me wonder if I'm not giving Obama enough credit.

    *shrug* Then I look at the letter from Blue Shield telling us we cannot renew our medical plan because of Obama care and I really don't give a fig if he did some other stuff right.





     
  20. Lee S

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    I hope you realize that the CBO just crunches numbers with the data provided to it be Congress and in this particular instance, Harry Reid specifically. Your basic garbage in = garbage out format. A study by two economist who did not use the Democratic controlled Congress numbers disagrees:

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/study-obama-stimulus-destroyed-million-private-sector-jobs/
     
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    I disagree with the original premise (that Obama has been a complete failure).

    He stated several dreams and objectives in all the autobiographies he has written, and he has been successful in carrying nearly all of them out:

    * To destroy the prestige, uniqueness, and greatness of this nation that he considers arrogant and long-overdue for a knocking-down a few pegs.
    Check.

    * To grow the size and scope of government, and to create a permanent nanny-state.
    Check.

    * To punish taxpayers, job-creators, and corporations with ridiculous regulations and restrictions.
    Check.

    * To kill the coal industry.
    Almost-check.

    * To open the southern border, and quadruple the number of people on government assistance, welfare, food stamps, WIC, and disability.
    (Thereby guaranteeing a permanent & unbeatable majority of Democrat voters.)
    Check.

    * To diminish and fundamentally change the US Military, effectively gelding it and making it 1/3rd as powerful and effective as it was previously.
    Check.

    * To advance the cause of radical, 'progressive', liberal, socialist ideologies, and make them seem like mainstream ideals to the ignorant and the uninitiated.
    Check.

    I don't know what you guys are talking about.
    With regard to his stated goals, he has been a SMASHING success.
     
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    Lol, conservative math.

    Which creates more of a debt "burden": A person who earns $28,000 a year increasing their credit card debt from $100.00 to $200.00 or a person earning $2,800,000 a year increasing their credit card debt from $10,000 to $19,999.
     
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    I asked the question first. Please answer it.
     
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    Is MSNBC's tagline "Fair and Balanced?"
     
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    Nope because there wouldn't be a straight face in the room if they tried.
     

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