Keystone Be Darned: Canada Finds a Surprise Pipeline Route Bypassing Obama

A 30" diameter pipeline is pretty small.

 

I have seen the inside of Saudi ARAMCO's control room.. and they are moving 10 million barrels a day.. but 30 inch pipelines are antiquated.

 

You have no clue what you are talking about. Trust me.

 

TransCanada pipeline co. has had four major incidents since 2003.

 

No its not. There are 2 other larger transmission pipelines of similar scope. One is 36 inches and the other is 48 inches. Stop it .. you are talking out your backside. I know this industry inside and out.

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What does that have to do with the number of employees ?

 

Good for you. 30 inch pipelines are not antiquated as the two newest transmission pipelines in North America are 30 inch. Would you like me to explain why ?

 

Why the "First Nations" term? Is there a problem with Native American? After all, the correct scholarly term for this area is oasisamerica. This defines the pre-Columbian areas of the now western U.S. Even the correct scholarly name for the people of the entire North American continent were called Paleoindians.

 

Hmmmmm. Tough one. Maybe because it is their country and they can use any term they want to without American redneck permission? Just guessing.

 

From what I remember reading about the pipeline, the environmental mess it would have created in this country was one of the main objections to running it across the country, not to mention the possibility of a spill somewhere along the way. Anyway, with the world currently awash in oil and demand falling due to various economic conditions, I'm not looking for that thing to be built any time soon.

 

Congratulations to Canada. Canada and America are allies. That means that the far-left Democrats see both as enemies. Barack Obama's America doesn't need jobs. It needs more welfare. We don't need oil. Solyndra will meet all of our energy needs. We don't need allies. President Obama's allies like Hamas, Venezuela, and Russia will do.

 

Sorry, Grizz, but that's not possible. We passed "peak oil" twenty years ago. We ran out of oil in the year 2000. Don't you read the hysterical far left propaganda? And, you're right, tanker trucks and railway shipping is so much safer and so much more environmentally friendly that a nasty ol' pipeline. I realize you quit using gas and oil some time ago, Grizz. How's that going?

I remember people in Colorado who went to Alaska to work on that pipeline. Good money and good jobs for a few years. Of course, that pipeline as totally destroyed Alaska. No one even lives there any more. It's just an oily wasteland from one end to the other. And besides, the goal of the Democrats is to free us all from the horrible drudgery of work. Jobs? We don't need no friggin' jobs. We can all be on welfare with Obama-Bucks.

 

Peak Oil was a political ploy and still is... Matthew Simmons (the energy broker) trotted it out again just in time for the war on Iraq... He made a lot of money too.

 

Port Rupert is already a leading container port.

If the Canadians (whose economy has become dependent on oil) can fully develop it, Port Rupert/Kitimat will rival Dharan or Valdez as an energy port.

 

Awesome! The new Englanders can thank the greenies for those beautiful oil slicks off the coast of Maine, New Hampshire, and Mass of 2...

 

Yeah, it's not like my dad is a pipeline designer, my brother in law is a roughneck or anything. Contractors will get rich, and then move on. That's the nature of a 'contracted' job.

As it stands, even TransCanada can't seem to get it's numbers straight, but Cornell University seems to have a good idea.

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20120117/keystone-xl-jobs-unions-transcanada-construction-liuna-unemployment-state-department-cornell

Here is the thing, I don't disagree with the point that the oil Will go somewhere, so why not the US. But until TransCanada can be upfront about the operations of it, people will be suspicious.

*shrug* First Nations and Native American are about the same. I know more then a few Natives and it seems to be the preferred nomenclature, so I use it.

 

Considering Keystone XL would have required one of the largest eminent domain seizures of American land and property in history to build, how exactly is not supporting its construction equal to too much government power?

 

So you don't think that it takes thousands of people to build a pipeline? The pipe has to be dug out of the ground as ore, refined and made into pipe. More iron has to be made into giant machines that clear the right of way and more machines to dig the ditch for the pipe. There will be a lot of people building machines, driving machines, welding the pipe and there will be permanent jobs created in every part of the supply chain as the 7billion dollars are absorbed into the economy. The $7B translate to that much wealth created for our nation and the pipeline will keep adding to that wealth as long as the world needs oil.

I know that you would rather see the money going to your friends in OPEC but we are already on track to leave OPEC in a bind that will mean the end of your precious ME oil kingdoms.

OPEC will still have China needing oil as they expand but their bubble may burst at anytime and as of last night a lot of people see the EU economy crashing so they won't need as much oil - causing the big oil stocks to yo-yo. I don't want to see the price of oil drop but around here the price of gasoline is dropping a little.

What does that have to do with anything?

Why do they monitored at all if no one will ever have to work or maintain the pipeline? Do the computer banks operate the machines that run inside the pipe looking for corrosion or cracks? If they find something of concern do the computers fix the problem? Do the computers build themselves and keep themselves if good working order, update their programs?? People will have good paying jobs so just admit it.

All controlled and maintained by an omnipotent computer.

So what is your estimate for wear factors when moving well lubricated sand?? Maybe the pipeline engineers should consider that before they order the steel and what they want the pipe lined with??

Great post but the liberal horde doesn't care about logic they just "HATE" oil.

No, no. Margot tells us that the whole of the pipelines in the ME are controlled by one old analog computer.

Margot's Arab islamo friends showed her their control room so she knows all about pipe and how big the pipe needs to be to transport a given amount of product. She thinks that we should lat a 50 inch line that would have 2.7 times as much capacity. She feels that digging a wider ditch and building larger pipes is called for no matter the amount of product that you expect to move because her islamo friends have big lines over in Saudi Arabia.

At least the oil won't foul their wind turbines.

You do know that most of the land over the pipeline can still be farmed or otherwise used by the people who still own the land and are getting paid for the pipe to lay in the right of way across their land?

 

...and the shell fish will slide down so much more easily

 

They will just hire a pipeline contractor.. They won't dig out the ore and manufacture the machinery.. LOLOL. They aren't planning to move that much oil, but one of the costs that makes domestic production the highest in the world is that we have NO economies of scale.

Even back when I was young I sometimes flew Tapline in a piper cub.. and my dad did a five year stint as superintendent of pipelines for the largest oil company in the world.

One analog computer? haha.. Hardly.. They have the most advanced and sophisticated equipment in the world. Even the pump stations are monitoring flow and pressure in real time from a central location..

Don't worry about OPEC... new markets are opening up all over the world.. and we are awash in petroleum.

 

No offense but I was on a drill rig (which is where roughnecks work) 2 weeks ago and can tell you that the majority of those folks do not know much about transmission pipeline operations. There may be examples in a small town where a dude, when not doing roughneck activities, might work on a dig site if a transmission pipeline was nearby. In that case the dude would tell you that the 35 Job number for the Keystone is laughable.

Someone who designs pipelines should know more than a roughneck but sometimes the scope of work for these folks can be limited. That said I would be extremely surprised if your dad agreed with the 35 Jobs number.

I work directly with transmission pipeline operations. I gave a list off the top of my head previously which should be enough. I could get into very specific details but there is a high degree of confidentiality. I have been at dig sites. I know how many people are involved and how many digs (which is confidential) are done each year. I know with 100% certainty that there are more than 35 Jobs (full time hours for a year) created for just digs alone.

The 35 job figure is abject nonsense and does nothing but show how ignorant some of these reporters are.

http://keystone-xl.com/about/jobs-and-economic-benefits/

This is from TransCanada's website so we can dicker over percentages ... but really now. 35 Jobs ?

 

Sure, I appreciate your knowledge and experience, and I also agree that 35 is too low. I also believe that TransCanadas 13000 is way to high. As it said in my source, TransCanada measures its 'jobs created' by 'work years' rather then by individuals employed. As well the majority of their numbers come from ancillary jobs that will sprout as they build, and die when it's done.

Look, I personally think the pipeline should be built, if only because not building it won't stop the oil from being extracted. It'll just change the destination, and I would much rather have it within our continent where we can benefit from it, rather then shipping it off, and then buying it back at inflated prices. Environmentalists can while and complain (with good reason I might add) but it isn't going to stop this moving train. What Will stop this train dead is a commercially viable leap in battery and clean energy tech. That is what worries me (with regards to my local economy).

 

There's nothing wrong with the Keystone pipeline project if the landowners agree, but the hype about the panacea for job creation is just another political lie.

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Most of the refined product like airplane fuel will be sold abroad because they can get higher prices. It won't be for domestic consumption.

 

I've always wondered why Canada and the U.S. haven't teamed up and made the ME look like a mere wading pool for oil.

There is definitely more to this than "greedy" big oil being the problem.

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Don't forget though, man...the GOP are the obstructionists....

 

Well I think we would have in the last decade if it weren't the US starting a very very unpopular war. Our Govt didn't want to get too close for fear of getting bounced out for another party. Now they have a majority and it's easier for Harper to make deals like this that will probably last after he is gone (hopefully sooner then later cause seriously, this guy is the worst).

 

Give it up dude, the liberals know it all and you are wrong...no matter how right you are.

It isn't about truth, it's about the agenda...the agenda uber alles, the end.