How do you explain 1st Samuel 15 3?

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    The Exodus has been confirmed by genetic studies which show that the sons of Aaron, the priests living today, are all related to one common father who lived 3362 years ago.

    That date has the uncanny correspondence to the sudden and unexplained appearance of a Monotheism inside Egypt at that time.
    The Pharaoh, Akhenaten, converted to monotheism apparently in competition with Moses.
    Pharaohs, after this period, succeeded in hiding the evidence of this Akhenaten and monotheism until excavations and archeology discovered the whole story in the 19th century.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Many people do this.
    God is so, well, patriarchal in that Bible.
    Islam pretty much copied what was said in the Old Testament and dismissed many important other events as Mohammed saw fit.
    But the Sharia of today is not far off the mark of what Jews were doing for centuries.

    Essentially, God describes the two kinds of peoples he created, one is Hebrew patriarchy and the other, sexually permissive and immoral Gentiles.
    It all makes sense we read that these two societies fight one another, much as the terrorism of our own times supports even now.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Yep,...
    That seems to be the major issue of the Bible, new and old.

    Our salvation seems tied up in both books with the Patriarchy VS Matriarchy conflict that historically has been the big world scene for centuries.


    Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away (in the spirit of thought), into the wilderness (of my imagination) and I saw (as if) a woman, ...

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    .... (those who have Institutionalized a system of sexual seduction into a failed matrimony), sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (of a brazen and corrupt sexually misdirected economic system: [Dan 3:1-5]), full of names of (Pagan) blasphemy, having seven heads:
    (which existed in (1) Egypt, (2) Assyria, (3) Babylon, (4) Persia/Mede, (5) Greece, (6) Rome (7) the whole of Western Culture to follow)...

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    ... having ten horns upon these seven heads:
    (1. Undivided Empire; capital Rome: [305 AD],

    2. Western Roman Empire: (Romulus Augustus): [to 476 AD],

    3. Eastern Roman: Byzantine Empire, [1453 AD]

    4. Charlemagne, [800 - 1000 AD]

    5. Holy Roman Empire, [1200 AD-1492 AD]

    6. Italy, [Renaissance, 16th century]

    7. Spain, [17th century]

    8. France, [18th-19th Century]

    9. Britain, [19th-20th century]

    10. Nazi Germany, [20th century])


    12. America next…?
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Might I recommend that you get down on your knees and ask God the answer to the question that only God can answer.
     
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    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No it hasn't. The same condition applies to other peoples all over the world. Even the Jews admit this. I know all about Akhenaten and his new beliefs and new city.

    There is no evidence for Moses, the Exodus, the invasion of Palestine.

    In any case Monotheism is known from various places in the ancient world in various forms. Exclusive monotheism, inclusive monotheism and pluriform monotheism. Just how monotheistic was Akhenaten or his people. In the ruins of his city various items of jewellery have been found which his citizens have worn. These have signs/emblems of other gods on them.
     
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    we'd love to get an answer from the big cheese himself, but he ain't answering. he hasn't answered the phone for about 2000 years, so we ask his handmaidens (Christians) :)
     
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    oh, what a tangled web we weave ....

    the children had to be killed because they were evil (according to faithers), and evil people go to hell (according to faithers), so in fact their post mortem destiny is known, and it's terrible. that's the only consistent projection. if you're claiming destiny unknown, that scenario allows the possibility the children were not evil, in which case why kill them?

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    yes, the bible does very much read as the product of the above. the BIBLE, in its entirety.

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    it's quite possible god COULD have stopped Saul, yet he didn't. or perhaps he COULDN'T because he doesn't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing exist?
    and he knew Saul's 'heart', but ran with the plan anyway? or .... impotent god (aka, no god)?
     
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    Or how about the part where, because God was mad at Saul, He sent a demon to possess him? WTF?
     
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    Oh. For goodness sake. The same old rubbish.

    There are 100 different interpretations, by 100 different peoples and religions of Revelations. It comes from the Tanakh, and adapted for Christianity.
     
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    Yep,...
    The Revelation is a continuation of the Jewish end times.
    And what we have is a long list of ideas that never ever compared with the history they predicted.

    The above historical and sociological hypothesis is relative today.
    It covers the whole story from Egypt through the Nazi efforts of the 20th century.

    It the best we have now.
     
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    LOLOL... :smile:
     
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    that's interesting because it tells us there are other supernatural beings hanging out with god. it also tells us that god thinks nothing of sending his buddies to do his apparently endless dirty work. what makes it extra delicious is that so many Christians assert demons are satan's buddies - I've even had a Christian tell me that a quiet mind is dangerous because it allows demons (aka satan) in. I can think of several other Christians who would rail in indignant denial if I were to bring up 'god's demons' in conversation :D :D :D
     
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    The genetics are factual studies.
    The Jews are very proud that these facts also support the priests as having pretty much maintained the ritual of marrying only Levite women, too:

    Calculations based on the high rate of genetic similarity of today's Cohanim resulted in the highest "paternity-certainty" rate ever recorded in population genetics studies -- a scientific testimony to family faithfulness.
    Stated Dr. David Goldstein of Oxford University:
    "For more than 90 percent of the Cohens to share the same genetic markers after such a period of time is a testament to the devotion of the wives of the Cohens over the years. Even a low rate of infidelity would have dramatically lowered the percentage."
    [Science News, October 3, 1998]

    http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48936742.html
     
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    He must have caller ID or blocked your number or something. Perhaps if you used a friend's phone you can get through.
     
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    It is also genocide. You are basically saying "Genocide is okay, as long as they deserve it." You really have to love divine command theory to bite this bullet.
     
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    Did I say they deserved it?
     
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    that's exactly what they do say - and the better man/woman in them is silenced. that voice (the god-questioner, the doubter) is ignored as per the early training.
     
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    has he answered you? in clear, audible, manifest terms?

    or do you just increase the pace of the mental masturbation a little bit and call the resulting swoon 'god'?

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    you may not have spelled that out, but many do. when questioned on the monster god Yahweh's winning ways (death and destruction) the usual response is "they were evil", or words to that effect. the same reason given for the genocide of every group by every deranged despot since moses was a boy.
     
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    Well I actually gave the answer on the first page. It wasn't anything about good or evil, it was about preventing future attacks from the children of those who were killed. Not justifying, not defending(no reason to),just explaining the reason behind it.
     
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    fair enough then. but you do realise there is no 'reason', dontcha? there is only insanity and bloodlust.
     
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    I traded in insanity and bloodlust for Popeyes strips. Those things are awesome.
     
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    better than spending your life trying to justify the actions of a monster :p
     
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    That only works if the monster exists to begin with. You're actually saying that now are you? And it's Popeyes strips, they're better then a lot of things.
     
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    saying what? that many people believe in a monster god named Yahweh? why yes, I am :)

    pssst ... I have no idea what popeyes strips is/are
     
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    I haven't called him on your behalf. If it is your question, then you need to take it up with him. As for the rest of your post, lithium might help you with that.
     

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