St. Louis Police demand apology from Rams for 'Hands up, Don't shoot' gesture

your made up commentary not based on anything more than internet heresay..... is laughable at best. Good thing Grand juries rely on things like EVIDENCE.


quote tags are messed up... I'm not sure exactly if I'm replying to Bluesguy or Fresh Air...... sorry.

 

I think Fresh Air

 

yeah, it's what I figured.... but I coulnd't find the original one or fix the tags..... so I put in the disclaimor.

 

I personally think, that this is ridiculous. We fight wars for free speech. They have the right to do or say whatever they like. They did nothing to harm anyone. We have to solve the problems without crying all the time.

 

Saint Louis Officials Blame Victim Zemir Begic For His Own Brutal Murder: “We think it was wrong place, wrong time”…

Like the mayor said, this was not racial, even though the youts were heard to chant “eff the white people, kill the white people“, just a short time before.

 

I fully support the St. Louis Police and law enforcement everywhere in this country.

 

Yeah, sure, "kill all the whiteys". But that will be the end of their rights, welfare checks, food stamps and everything else. Then they can find peace and harmony under communism or Muslim rule.

 

The truth does matter. It always matters. And destroying your community is no way to address a grievance and supporting that destruction does not help prevent future similar acts.

 

I personally don't care that 4 dumb asses who hate whitey do their stupid little demonstration as they walk out to play a game.... but NFL Players have a precedent set about political speech and fining players.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...n-jones-fined-for-michael-sam-tweets/8985297/


Why is it these 4 players voice a controversial political view and nothing.... where as if you voice a controversial political view against gays... you get fined and suspended.?



If the NFL or teams want to fine players for political statements, then they need to fine all political statements..... It just seems hypocritical when one player is fined for a conservative viewpoint, but a liberal viewpoint is supposed to be tolerated.

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Translation, ballantine doesn't care about the truth... he wants to continue to push a lie to meet his agenda.....

 

Get a gun. Defend yourself. This stuff is real.

 

Yeah but that's not the point though.

This thing is being played out on a symbolic level now. It's no longer about Michael Brown, it's about Congressmen standing up and waving their hands on the House floor.

This is a propaganda battle, not a battle for justice.

This is lefties pushing a leftie political issue, and they're trying to disguise it as some kind of racial justice thing.

The dumbest thing to do is play into it, and that's what the OA did.

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Of course it's real. People are getting beaten to death by these little hoodlums, the ones the lefties want us to "go easy on".

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Excuse me?

Do I know you?

No, and you don't know me either.

So WTF would you know about my agenda? Hm?

Could it be you're just another lying leftie, and maybe I oughta just put you on ignore right now so I don't have to suffer any more of your BS?

 

calm down there skippy.... your subsequent post made your first more clear..... The first sounded like you thought the symbol was more important than the truth was to you.... but the second post made it seem that was what you were saying the lefties think........


I'll acknowledge I misread it.



carry on

 

What those Rams guys fail to remember, like Hollywood Movie "Stars", they get paid to entertain us like stage performers or circus clowns. It's the only reason they are there in the first place.

Let their corporate sponsors know you want to watch Professional Football and the players "personal statements", while acceptable off the playing field have NO place on the field and would make you LESS likely to buy their product than if they had done what they did.

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Contact their corporate sponsors above and let them know how you feel about social statements on the playing field. Considering they are 5 (W) and 7 (L), they need to concentrate more on their football playing and less on their social statements.

 

And because the symbolism is based on a lie, it will fade away.

 

Well, so now they're trying to morph it into a symbol for police brutality.

Officer involved shootings happen every day. They had one in Beverly Hills yesterday, the guy robbed a bank and tried to hide in the hotel next door. They had one in Hollywood this morning, a burglar caught in the act who thought he could draw.

These mostly fall into the category of "dumb crime", and that's the Michael Brown thing too, it's "dumb crime" - in tact it's incredibly stupid crime.

Anyone who tries to bum-rush a cop and steal his weapon is incredibly stupid. That's pretty much all there is to it.

All I see here is lefties being stupid and supporting stupidity, and I mean... that's nothing new. Nothing to see here. Move along.

 

I doubt they know the difference.

 

You can't blame non-cops for shooting people who point these "toys" at them,either.

If there is anyone to blame for this,it is the irresponsible parents who buy or allow their children to buy "toys" like this.

 

The prime point is blood loss is not in any respect related to loss of breath until there is no more blood being pumped out by a still heart.

A bullet,or bullets through the lungs will sure have an effect on your breathing,though.. So will being on an adrenaline spike and trying to rush someone shooting at you while you are entirely focused on getting to them and need the oxygen required to maintain your charge too badly to be holding your arms above your head.

Don't believe me? Ask anyone with COPD what holding their hands above their heads does to their breathing.

 

I would amend that to state "Get a gun AND GET SOME TRAINING IN HOW AND WHEN TO USE IT AND HOW TO SAFELY HANDLE AND SHOOT IT. This stuff is real."

No one that doesn't have experience with safely handling and shooting guns should just buy one and throw it in a drawer to be used in emergencies. They need to take gun safety classes and handle it enough they can handle it safely in a crisis without even thinking about what they are doing.

As far as that goes,NO ONE that isn't committed to practice,practice,practice should even consider buying a semi-auto pistol. The only firearms they should even consider are double-action only revolvers. That way there is no tendency to (*)(*)(*)(*) it and then shoot accidentially and harm a family member during a break-in,and nobody is going to shoot themselves or someone else accidentally by constantly fumbling with the damn thing to see if it is loaded or unloaded. I don't know the actual statistics,but I am bettting it is a rare case when someone is accidentally shot with a revolver because "I didn't think it was loaded".

BTW,moderators,"fumble with " are words that need to be disguised?

 

I agree that if one gets a firearm one should learn how to use it, properly. And practice. But I disagree on how to get the message across to those who are intimidated by firearms, who need help in getting beyond their fear and actually seeking out a gun to buy. I believe that K.I.S.S. is the best approach, hence "Buy a gun, defend yourself".

Remember the 4 rules of firearm safety, and you'll be ok with either a revolver or a semi-auto. The most immediate danger of the user's inexperience with a SA would be them limp wristing the gun causing a stove pipe.

I use a semi and I never check to see if it's loaded. I know it is. It is in my possession all the time and there is no reason to fumble with anything. But I really am interested in knowing how having a revolver negates fumbling, or more accurately, how having a semi induces fumbling.

Thanks

 

I own maybe a dozen of them,and have mostly carried semi-autos since the mid -60's. Mine are also always loaded and ready to fire.

Then again,I am not afraid of loaded guns,especially my own. And since I keep them loaded and have a great deal of experience with firearms I not only don't need to check them all the time to see if they are loaded,when I do pick one up I don't fumble with it. As a qualified gunsmith who has created custom guns and done a lot of modifications to both semi-auto pistols and revolvers I don't "fumble" with any weapon.

Then again,I got my first firearm in the 1950's,so handling them is not exactly new to me. We ain't talking about me,though. We are talking about adults who have never owned or even handled a firearm before.


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That can't be a serious question. Do revolvers have safeties?

Do you have to pull a slide back to see if a revolver is loaded?

Do revolvers have magazines you can take out and leave a live round in the chamber?

The answer to all of these questions is "No!". Revolvers are the original "point and click devices". Nobody is going to get killed pulling the trigger of a revolver and not having it fire because they forgot to take the safety off.

Nobody is going to get killed after unloading a revolver and then pulling the trigger because the cylinder swings out and there are no "hidden bullets" like in a semi-auto.

BECAUSE you can see the bullets by looking into the cylinders from the front there is no need to manipulate the action to see if it's loaded.

Don't forget,we are talking about people who have grown up programmed to think that guns just kill people all by themselves,and loaded guns make them nervous

Plus,revolvers have a huge tactical advantage in self-defense situations that auto-loaders don't. You can have your hand on one in a coat pocket or a purse,and fire right through the pocket or the purse without worrying about not having a second shot due to the slide jamming,or even having to take the gun out and display it. The last part is big in self-defense situations where you don't have to shoot because it can prevent you from being arrested for threatening your potential assailants with a gun and causing them to fear for their lives. Yes,this does and has happened. The most recent definition of this "crime" is "making terroristic threats putting the victims in fear of losing their lives."

Take the gun out of your pocket or purse and point it at the potential attackers,and you have not only just threatened them,but they can describe your gun to prove it.

 

My P220 has no safety either. And?

No, however you don't have to do that with a semi either so I'm not real sure what point you are trying to make by asking that question. With a SA, if the slide is locked back, then reload, simple. With a revolver you have to either keep track of how many rounds you've spent or spend precious seconds making it go "clickclickclick" before beginning to reload. Remember we are talking about your new gun owners. It shouldn't be expected that they will have the presence of mind to perform with any proficiency until they have had time to practice, but we don't have time to wait until they are trained before they get a gun, they need one right now. Today.

Certainly a risk to be taken seriously, but that is no better than not having enough rounds to put the bad guy(s) down with a revolver. Ask Officer Wilson how many rounds it took to stop Mike Brown. More than 5.

Again, no safety on my P220.

Again, a serious risk however by choosing a revolver you do not mitigate the risk of a ND due to a chambered round, you only exchanged that risk for the risk of not having enough rounds to get the job done.

Man it sure sounds like you are saying you are pointing the gun at your face in order to see down the front of the cylinder to see if there are rounds in the gun and I know that's not what you are saying. Can you rephrase that to help me understand what you mean?

There's more to address here but I'm tired of it right now, and may come back to it later.

See ya