Pro Lifers, what exactly do you think would happen if abortion was banned?

And your solution is to let kids go hungry and homeless............punish children for being born to the wrong people....

OK, I got your solution.....it isn't a very good one but exactly what I expected from a conservative....

 

My solution is, as it has been, if you think someone deserves another person's money, give them yours. Your solution is that I should be forced to do it your way. That is the best solution. What you want gets done and what I want also happens. The problem is you actually have to do something other than have good intentions for yours to reach the goal. If you bleeding hearts would actually take action voluntarily on how you say things should be done, this would be a non issue.

Every penny that is forced from me to go to someone else's kids that aren't getting the job done is a penny less that I have to give to MINE. You talk about someone else's kids being punished for "being born to the wrong people" yet you don't mind taking money from my kids in order that someone else's kids get it. Please explain why MY kids should do with less. Why should my kids be punished for being born to parents that are responsible enough to take care of them?

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Churches are exempt from taxes even though they use government services. Everyone else, including atheists, is forced to pick up the slack for what churches don't pay.

But many in the pro-life movement do. As a movement, they try to destroy Planned Parenthood which provides free or low cost contraception, and generally are opposed to the AHCA.

If you are pro-life, don't you believe women's bodies and choices are your business?

If you really believe abortion kills a human being, why wouldn't you do what you can to help women prevent unwanted pregnancies?

 

Believing abortion kills a human doens't by default mean it's my place to fund her contraceptives. I am willing to give her whatever choice she wants. If she wants to have sex with a different man 365 days/year, fine but it's not my place to make it safer for her. It's hers or his. If she wants to have an abortion a year, while I think she's killing a human life, if she pays, answering to me is the least of her worries. If she chooses to have kids she can't afford, not my place to feed them. She had them. I didn't tell her not to.

 

So why do so many "pro-lifers" ....oppose contraception?

 

You'll have to talk to the ones that do. I don't oppose contraception, I oppose someone wanting to use it for private reasons then demanding the public fund it for them.

Why do so many pro "choicers" think something that is private should be publicly funded?

 

The progressive argument is that some people are too "poor" to afford contraceptives, and won't use them unless the government hands it out for free.
The progressive argument is also, essentially, that many women are just too stupid to use birth control, and therefore society has to try to do whatever it takes to encourage and make it as easy as possible for women to use it.

I suppose we can argue about whether free contraceptives will make people more likely to use them. But one thing for sure, if free contraceptives do reduce pregnancies, it would definitely be cheaper on the taxpayers in the long run. Because the fact is we are not just going to dump children out on the streets.

I can understand the principle of what you are advocating, that the government shouldn't have to pay for these types of things, and that women are lazy and irresponsible if they can't buy their own birth control, but the potential results are what they are.

And what about all those little fetuses who will get aborted? If free contraception will reduce the number of abortions, I say condoms and birth control pills should be dropped by helicopter onto low income neighborhoods. Unless you believe we should just leave these women to their own stupidity, with these potential little lives at the mercy of their mother's choices.

 

If they did ban abortions, perhaps those women who would have babies they don't want would get on birth control, or keep their legs together.

Another idea would to be create an atheistic charity to drive or fly women to Mexico or Canada to get an arbortion.
Call it "Abortion Express," or "Ride to Fetiside."

 

Do you think only atheist women have abortions?

"Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as “Born-again/Evangelical'."

http://www.alliedwomenscenter.com/?page_id=2971

 

Since all these churchgoing women (yeah right) can't get their own houses of worship to build and maintain abortion clinics---they should have to turn to the pagans to help kill their unborn children.

 

I am conservative and it's cheaper to pay for contraception than for them to give birth and be on welfare.

 

Yeah, right, these stats from a pro-life source must be wrong. Everyone knows good churchgoing women would never get abortions, or even have non-procreative sex.

 

I see you agree that banning abortion doesn't stop abortion, it never has.

The "old white males" trite, futile idea of admonishing women to "keep their legs together" hasn't worked since they are humans just like the men who can't keep their pants on.

Humans have always and will always have sex whether wisely or unwisely.....you can't change human nature.

You are wrong in assuming abortion has anything to do with atheists. Believers have abortions. Christian women have rights, too.

 

I'd also like to see the conservative plan to fund with taxpayer's money the growth of Big Government to arrest, put on trial, incarcerate, thousands of women who have abortions.......pay for additional lawsuits for wrongful arrest as women fight back.....pay for the disruption of women's lives as they are harassed by anti-choicers, spend time away from their jobs(loss of income making them and their families MORE dependent on the government), time away from their families....who pays for their children while women are in jail being punished for not having more children ????

Why DO conservative anti-choicers want to spend so much of our money on futile, stupid, meaningless, ineffectual, time consuming , damaging, destructive laws ???

 

Of course Christians sin all the time. The ones with the least amount of faith and spiritual fortitude are going to screw up more often.

With liberal democrats and other secular pagans destroying the idea of a nuclear family, a husband and wife getting married and then having children---there certainly is very little incentive for young women to wait.

When a young teen girl can get pregnant, drop out of school AND get $40,000 a year in welfare benefits, there is little wonder there are so many teens getting pregnant. For those who want to carry on their lifestyle, Lib-Coms allow a quick trip to a clinic to get rid of the annoying clump of human life slowing them down.

If our government stopped rewarding women for having getting pregnant outside of marriage then there would not be the need for so many abortions.

 

Notice how it doesn't faze a "pro-life" Rightwinger (or any Rightwinger)...when you give them facts?

In their mind it's still "liberal atheist women having all the abortions".

Also apparently in their minds, the Government is paying women to get pregnant out of wedlock....or "if the Government didn't pay for abortions, the women wouldn't get pregnant"....EXCEPT...

Government doesn't pay for abortions....it's called the Hyde Amendment.

But again, facts are meaningless to them....only "truthiness"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

 

Of course your heroes in the Liberal Left have wanted to create an underclass, a constituency that will be depnedant on their entitlement programs and get the votes to stay in power.

Destruction of the middle class by dismantling the nuclear family has been the most effective means of doing this.

Of course pathological liars have no problem with government funds being channeled to Planned Parenthood abortion centers, and with Obamacare abortion mandates:

However, Rep. Christopher H. Smith, New Jersey Republican and lead sponsor of the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion and Abortion Insurance Full Disclosure Act, responded to the new GAO report, saying it revealed “massive new public funding of abortion in the president’s health care law.”

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...est-government-funded-abortion/#ixzz3MGmHnesm
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You're contradicting yourself again.

You claim the Left want to "create an underclass"....yet you also claim the Left the Government to pay for abortions.

How can you "create an underclass"....from non-existant people?


(BTW, to others, this is part of the Orwellian "doublethink" the Right has been indoctrinated with by their Media......even CONTRADICTORY things are "true".

Like how the President is BOTH a "Marxist" AND "a corporate stooge in bed with Big Business"....or how the President is BOTH a "radical Christian"...AND an "atheist"....AND a "Muslim"....

and they believe all of it is true....at the same time. )