Does income inequality decrease opportunity? Debate

Dude, what is your point? Most of the private sector makes more money, with other peoples money. A capital contract is not a social contract. It is your money but you also have an obligation to pay taxes since it is a Power delegated to our federal Congress.

So, you agree with me that our federal Congress should stop wasting the Peoples' tax monies on our useless, wars on the abstractions of crime, drugs, poverty, and terror.

 

Im showing proof using the National Center for Education Statistics, which you say is biased? And what is your proof? Your own (*)(*)(*)(*)ing anecdotal evidence that I have to take your word for? Yeah, not going to happen buddy.

 

You don't have to take my word for how things work where I live. It's easy to prove if you're man enough to accept the proof. You won't because it's not what you want to believe. EVERY student in the school district where my children live gets the same amount of money spent on them, uses the same book, desks, has the same teachers, and sits in the same classes as every other student. They do so regardless of how much or how little their parents have paid in property taxes that fund the schools. You don't have to believe it but that's the way it works. Sounds equal to me. On top of that, the poor ones get free lunch and breakfast funded by the taxes they don't pay while the other students pay full price in addition to their parents paying the taxes to fund the leeches.

 

Why such a sad lack of a moral of goodwill toward men? Don't you believe in Capitalism being wonderful, but only when you have enough capital?

 

Just because its like that where you live doesnt mean its like that everywhere in America

 

...lol

 

It's like that in my State and many States like mine. You seem to think that the way you describe it is how it is everywhere. I can't speak for how other places do it only where I live. You expecting me to change what I believe on the matter because it's done that way where you live is rather arrogant.

 

No, the link I showed said nearly half of the country. I never said its like that everywhere, and since its not, do you think it should be the way it is where you live everywhere?

 

The two are very much related, but it's not a simple cause-effect relationship.

I did not vote in the poll, and would say it depends on the situation. Generally countries with more opportunity have less inequality.
Correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

 

It should be that way everywhere. That way those of you who won't to have an excuse and claim what you claim won't have it anymore. Since it is that way where I live, you would think the excuses would have stopped. No, people who think like you still won't to use your argument despite having a system that provides the same level of education to every student whether they are the poorest or the richest. That tells me if where you lived changed to do it like where I live, things wouldn't get better. It's not the money. It's those who have it used for them and their actions.

I'm a former teacher of 13 years in the same district where my kids attend. I also went to school in that same district 30 years ago. It worked then like it does now with a wide degree of variance in results despite equal distribution of money. I saw it firsthand. I stated many times that I would rather have a class of 35 where people, despite their economic background, gave a crap about learning. I could teach them anything within my knowledge base. However, give me a class of 10 that thought they knew everything or could care less about learning and I couldn't teach them to breath and that's an automatic function. It's what the student makes of it.

 

You do realize though wanting everyone to have equal schooling is extremely Collectivist right? Other right wingers would not agree with you at all, they HATE the idea of equality especially for schooling. They believe if you "work hard" than your kids deserve to go to better schools than the kids of those who do not "work hard" (I put "work hard" in quotations because to them it usually simply means being rich, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with how hard you actually work). The fact you believes schools should be equal for the rich and poor is admirable and I agree with you, but its most certainly a left wing liberal position you are taking here, feel free to ask your right wing buddies what they think of it, they will disapprove I guarantee it.

 

Don't confuse collectivism with something States have the ability to do under the 10th Amendment reserved powers. Collectivism comes in when the federal government that has no authority over education gets into it.

Seems you're another one that thinks every rich person is that way because it was handed to them.

No Conservative would say a kid that is poor should have less spent on him/her than a kid that is more well off. What Conservatives say is don't blame something on lack of money when it amounts to lack of effort on part of the student. If what you said were true, only poor kids would fail and only rich kids would graduate.

 

Just because the Federal Government is legally allowed to do this doesnt magically mean its no longer collectivism

It seems you are under the impression "Collectivism" can only be done illegally. Just because its under the 10th amendment doesnt mean its not collectivism lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism
"Collectivists usually focus on community, society, or nation. It is used and has been used as an element in many different and diverse types of government and political, economic and educational philosophies throughout history and all human societies in practice contain elements of both individualism and collectivism."

You say no conservative would say that, than you go on to say it.....If equal money for students does not matter, as you say, than why do you care about giving equal funding to the poor and the rich? If money doesnt matter why cant they go to different schools with different funding if all that matters is the individual student? You are not making sense here. Just ask other right wingers what they think, want me to make a thread about it? I can if you honestly dont believe me, I absolutely guarantee you the vast majority of right wingers dont think poor kids and rich kids should have to go to the same schools or have the same funding. You dont think so either you are just saying that you do but when you say "don't blame something on lack of money when it amounts to lack of effort on part of the student" how the (*)(*)(*)(*) does that coincide with the idea schools should be equal? Its a contradiction, either you think they should be equal and that it helps, or you dont. You are trying to play both sides fo the coin, it doesnt work that way buddy.

 

The federal government has no legal authority in education.

How does that coincide with schools being equal? I've explained that per student spending where I live is the same whether the student is rich, poor, or anywhere in between. There are students in the district that succeed who are rich, poor, and anywhere in between. Same with those that fail. There are still people that here that argue what you are saying despite the equal spending per student.

 

There is no appeal to ignorance of our own laws.

 

Only for the right and their appeals to ignorance as if by custom and habit if not morals.

That gives our federal Congress authority over education in the federal districts; they already have the power to fix Standards for the Union.

 

dude, authority over education is implied in All Cases Whatsoever.

And, the federal Districts are Part of the United States.

 

The authority is there (All Cases Whatsoever) in the federal districts. That satisfies the overall requirement of authority (in those districts). Fixing Standards for the Union covers it for the several States regarding education.

 

For Washington D.C.

Fixing standards for the Union does not have anything to do with education. Even the federal government knows it can't mandate federal standards for education on the States on a nationwide level.

 

Why do you believe that Education should not have Standards? Our federal Congress is delegated the Power to fix Standards for the Union.