Rape: Power or Pleasure

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  1. upside-down cake

    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    They say rape is about power...Is that true?

    Had a hard time believing that. Surely in some cases it's used as a way to enforce or assert power or control, but in other cases it seems more like predatory lust. When a stranger simply walks up on a women and rapes her, why would power be a motive rather than a man seeking to take what he cannot get otherwise?

    And for most of those cases where the victim is someone the person knows fairly well, it seems lust is more the reason behind the assault rather than power. Power or force is used to fulfill the persons lust, but it seemed to me that lust is usually the central motive. People who wish to assert power...in my mind...don't rape a woman, they beat her senseless or control her through finances or something like that. Take her kid or hold them hostage in some way. But rape...just feels a little out of scope concerning the issue...
     
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    I believe rape is about power and control more than lust. Why? If it were only about lust the man could go pay a prostitute for sex and be satisfied that way. But the act of raping a woman is showing her that he can take from her what he wants and she cannot stop him.
    I've also heard the theory that men who rape women usually hate their Mothers, and are getting back at their Mothers thru the act of rape. Whatever, I believe men who rape are very sick.
     
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    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    I guess it could be that in instances...

    I don't think all men find prostitutes an inviting option. I think rape is generally opportunistic instances, or they have fixated on someone. I think the fixation begins with lust. The women may or may not have rebuffed the person, but when he decides to force the situation, he is indeed using power. I'm wondering, becuase while the frustration and rage seem like secondary things- it still begins with lust, fascination, or fixation.

    For instance...If the man had no lust, but pursued power, would he chose to rape the woman to establish his power?

    If the man was lusty and overpowered the woman and raped her, this conquest will alleviate many possibble wounds or slights to his physche, but was it about lust, power, or perhaps vindictiveness. The forceful strike at a sense of being rebuffed or jilted whether by a specific woman or a lifetime of not being adequate or...something?
     
  4. CJtheModerate

    CJtheModerate New Member

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    It's both.
     
  5. FoxHastings

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    If a normal man is horny he finds a willing partner. A rapist NEEDS an unwilling " partner"...rapists have a need to control, terrify(a form of control) and have power over the woman he rapes because he has no power over them otherwise...Some rapists want to humiliate the woman and punish her. There are lots of reason slimeballs rape .
     
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    Pay attention that in nature "violent" sex is not that rare ...

    If we think to the unconscious basic part of human mind we have to think to animals, not to persons, and sexuality is within the limit of the bestiality of the existence of mammals [we are mammals].

    Mammals, to satisfy the instinct of reproduction have to have sex, no other ways are available [at least before that humans invented the assisted procreation ...]. In some species of mammals the male individual shows his virile power also being quite "violent" during the sexual act [it's not rare among cats, to think to animals we know very well].

    This said, we are social primates with an evolved and advanced social life [coded social life] and we have ritualized the seduction limiting all the expressions of force of the male subject towards the female subject [when not requested ...].

    So ... lust or power?

    Rape is will of lust in its pure form.

    Will of power in sexual crimes is expressed by means of behaviors with the purpose to control the other subject in a physical way: if a rapist has got the habit to tie up the victim, may be also gagging her ... that's will of power.

    In a few words:

    rape without ropes is will of lust,
    rape with ropes is also will of power.

    P.S. to be more accurate a psychologist would probably substitute that "will of power" with "will of control".
     
  7. arc_angel

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    Rape about control it has nothing to do with lust. Lust is about having very strong desires to have sex WITH someone, but the goal at the end is sex. Rape is about having control over a person the physical act involved is a means to an end. What I mean is this. When a person rapes another person they are taking away that persons control over their own bodies at a very intimate level. It's about the rapist having the power to control the victims bodies for their own use. At it's base level it's about reducing a person to nothing more than an object under the control of the rapist to put it simply.

    Lust is about the pleasure of sex it can lead to rape but it's goals are different in that it's not about taking control of another person.

    Also the means by which rape happens, ropes or not, does not mean it is not rape. In the majority of cases of CSA that happens with a person who is familiar with the child no physical force is used. The f'***********...... uses their greater knowledge against the child to achive control, most often disguised as a game, learning about the body, and/or something that everyone does. Again in the end it's about control.

    Also a lot of time it's about the rapist not having ability to control events in their lives or past so they try to seek control over other people, though rape is an extreme product of such insecurities and maladdaptions. Second rapists don't hate their mother or fathers or whoever, your oversimplifying things. There are some that do but people don't rape because they hate a parent figure it's the product of a lot of events in their lives. A lot of times it is a product of being raped and abused themselves.

    I seriously suggest people go read up on the subject of rape, there is a lot of information online and the more people who understand it the safer we can make everyone.
     
  8. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    If rape were about power, then the wrong women are getting raped. Young attractive females are more likely to be raped than more mature women in powerful positions. The statistics just don't make much of a case for rape for power. I have always wondered about the incidences about rape as revenge, either directly or through some sort of displacement but there has been, and probably never will be any research on that aspect.
     
  9. PatrickT

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    The topic of rape is obviously a political stratagem for the left that demands they get to define it. Rapes span a wide spectrum of motivations and actions and in some cases the rapist doesn't even know there has been a rape until the police knock on his or her door.

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